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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [lemko]
by hpmctorque
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May 20, 2009 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (May 20, 2009 10:18 am)
I agree with your first sentence. As for your second sentence, I wouldn't worry about the dependability or durability of either a Buick or a decontented Mercedes.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [hpmctorque]
by fintail
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May 20, 2009 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 20, 2009 1:16 pm)
I like to think if the models were made special order, aimed at real enthusiasts, no harm would be done. Marketing costs would be negligible and volumes would be low, as not to impact overall image. But what do I know...
A manual diesel C or E class with a tex interior and no airmatic or COMAND etc would be interesting.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [lemmer]
by circlew
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May 20, 2009 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 20, 2009 5:41 am)
I wonder if an ES300 with a great set of tires really feels significantly worse than a BMW in my daily drive to work.
Not worse just very different and do not expect performance handling.
Regards,
OW
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by hpmctorque
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May 20, 2009 (5:09 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (May 20, 2009 1:31 pm)
The effect on image might even be enhanced if the impact on maintenance and repair, and reliability were positive enough. Consider the image hit Mercedes suffered with the problematic late '80s-early '00s models.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [hpmctorque]
by fintail
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May 20, 2009 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 20, 2009 5:09 pm)
It would have to be a resurrection of the values that were seen in the 123 124 and 126 series cars - durability and longevity over bling. However, as people are more materialistic and image-conscious than ever, I don't know if the simple models would attract anything more than the established fan base. Maybe if public opinion changes and values quality over show, as it did for some at one time.
I've been reading a lot of good about the new E-class, but it will still be too fancy in the form sold here.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 20, 2009 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (May 20, 2009 7:46 pm)
It's easier for a modest car company to go UP (toyota to Lexus) than for a prestigious one to go DOWN, IMO.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright]
by fintail
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May 20, 2009 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 20, 2009 7:52 pm)
It takes longer, that's for sure. It took awhile for Caddy to reach humiliation, and with any luck MBs recent hiccups will be nothing more than a speedbump. New models in the past 2 or 3 years have shown a lot of promise to regain some of the old quality.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 21, 2009 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 20, 2009 8:05 pm)
It's harder to restore a reputation than to build one, don't you think?
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by lemmer
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May 21, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 20, 2009 2:44 pm)
I must have been really despondent when I said an ES. In my darkest moments, I don't think I could be convinced to buy one. Maybe a GS though. They aren't terrible.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright]
by fintail
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May 21, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 21, 2009 6:38 am)
By the time image has been drowned in muck, it can be impossible. Reputation can come from more than simple diminished reliability etc.
Caddy still has light years to go before it is anything like it was in the good old days. The upmarket aspirational image of Buick as seen in the 40s and 50s might never really be seen again - Buick abandoned it and then Lexus took the role.
Having a loyal fan base is also a valuable intangible.
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