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Re: MB Young Classics Program [vcheng] by fintail
May 19, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: vcheng (May 19, 2009 9:56 am)

For a second car for sunny day use, those cars would be ideal.
 
I checked out their prices, and they are gigantic. If someone can afford to buy from them, they should be able to afford to deal with any problems.
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Re: MB Young Classics Program [vcheng] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 19, 2009 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: vcheng (May 19, 2009 9:56 am)

It would HAVE to be a second car I think. The 60s and 70s cars really aren't up to modern driving conditions, day after day---especially in hotter climates, or in mountains, heavy traffic, etc. A mid-80s Benz would be all right.
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Here is a nice example by vcheng
May 19, 2009 (11:14 am)
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I wouldn't mind owning one like this:
 
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m180/two2tone/MVC-001F.jpg
 
This is somebody else's car of course taken from a message in another forum, but I like it nonetheless.
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Re: Here is a nice example [vcheng] by andre1969
May 19, 2009 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: vcheng (May 19, 2009 11:14 am)

What year is that? My mechanic has a Benz 280 something-or-other sitting in his parking lot that looks similar to that. It's a blue 4-door sedan with a 4.5 badge on the trunk. I have to run out there tonite to get my New Yorker, so while I'm there I'll have my buddy take a pic of it with his cell phone camera, cuz I'm sure Fintail will want to see!
 
At a quick glance it looks pretty nice, as the light blue paint is pretty shiny. But it has a few small rust holes peeking through along the bottom.
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Re: Here is a nice example [vcheng] by fintail
May 19, 2009 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: vcheng (May 19, 2009 11:14 am)

That's a LWB W108/109 of unknown year, ca. 1970. Probably a 280SEL.
 
A nice one can be easily found for 5 grand or so.
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Re: Here is a nice example [andre1969] by fintail
May 19, 2009 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 19, 2009 11:21 am)

That would be a W108 LWB, probably from around 1970 like the pictured car. They still had a blue then similar to my fintail, but most were a medium or dark shade. That would be a V8 car, created for invading the NA market. Thirsty cars.
 
MBs of that era were skilled at rusting. Fintails were the same way.
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Re: Here is a nice example [fintail] by andre1969
May 19, 2009 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (May 19, 2009 11:28 am)

Well, I got distracted and forgot to take a pic of the thing, but I asked the mechanic about it. It's a 1972, 90,000 miles, and he's selling it. Asking $2,000. He said it's in good running condition, but just "needs dialing in", in his words. He says it needs the love and attention of a Mercedes guy, and that he just doesn't know enough about them to give it the attention it deserves.
 
Oh, and getting the NYer back from the mechanic ended up being a bit of an adventure. It stalled out just around the corner from his shop and wouldn't re-start. I called him and he came out to check on it. Couldn't figure out what it was, but then after about 5 minutes or so, it fired right up and ran fine. Damn thing must be possessed!
 
At this point, he said he can't figure out what would be causing it, as it's intermittent. He suspects the orange ECU box on the firewall might be acting up intermittently. My guess is the Lean Burn. I asked him about disabling it and just going with a regular, early '70's style electronic ignition, basically like what you can order through Mopar Performance. He's balking at that because, get this, he says my car is so nice and original, he doesn't want to "butcher" it up. LOL, I'm like the hell with it, if it keeps acting up, lets rip the whole thing out and throw in a big-block!
 
Anyway, the car did fine the rest of the way back from the shop. And once I got it home, I even tried turning it off and on a few times and it fired right up. But who knows? Maybe at this point, I would've been better off it I asked him to swap, my NYer for that Benz!
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Re: Here is a nice example [andre1969] by fezo
May 19, 2009 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 19, 2009 3:30 pm)

The good thing about pictures from Andre's mechanic's lot is that he doesn't have to identify that as such. One look and you know.
 
Vapor lock! That brings back a lovely memory of learning what it was and how to fix it on the side of the Merritt Parkway in Connecticut in my mom's 56 Buick. Luckily a guy pulled right up behind us, explained the whole thing and had us back on the road.
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Re: Here is a nice example [andre1969] by fintail
May 19, 2009 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 19, 2009 3:30 pm)

2 grand is probably harmless if it runs and drives, and that rust isn't structural. There's not a lot of upside with an unrestored 108 sedan, but there aren't many classier drivers/beaters in existence.
 
"Needs dialing in" sounds like code for "the FI is messed up and I can't figure it out"...but maybe all it needs is a tune up and timing work.
 
I had no second thoughts about putting electronic ignition in my fintail. It was still my daily driver at the time, and it's not some Pebble Beach-bound concours competitor, it's just a well kept old car. Driveability can trump originality, especially where few people will ever see it. The car started getting balky in damp weather, and that combined with the constant chore of maintaining the points made the decision easy for me. It's been pretty much problem free since.
 
I think when it comes to repair costs,your old NYer is a wiser choice. Although, there's no reason why couldn't have them both...
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque by hpmctorque
May 19, 2009 (7:05 pm)
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My delayed response to my question, and to shifty's and fintail's answers(all posted below) is, how I wish BMW and Mercedes would offer decontented versions of the 3 and 5 Series, and C and E Classes, respectively. Just imagine how appealing such cars would be if they weren't so high maintenance. I wouldn't miss that leading edge electronic stuff, but I'd be ecstatic about owning a reliable example of these cars that's not a money pit after the warranty expires. I'll bet there are others who feel the same as me. Maybe these are available in other markets.
    
"Given their premium pricing, why can't Audi, BMW and Mercedes match the Japanese luxury brands on reliability and durability, other than engines? I suppose the cynical answer would be with another question, such as 'why can't the Japanese make a car that feels as good to drive as a BMW?' There's got to be a better answer, however."
      
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#326 of 360 Re: Why? [hpmctorque] (Mr_Shiftright) HOST May 18, 2009 (2:25 pm)
 
"Too complex/ over-engineered?"
      
  
#327 of 360 Re: Why? [Mr_Shiftright] (fintail)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 18, 2009 2:25 pm)
 
"Germans seem to have a 'innovation for the sake of innovation' mindset when it comes to automotive electrics - which means results are mixed at best. Germans are engine builders, not electronic gadgetry builders, it seems."

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