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Re: I had once considered... [lemko] by lokki
Jan 08, 2009 (2:36 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 08, 2009 1:44 pm)

One of my favorite curses is to say:
 
I hope someone gives you a free 1956 Cadillac that needs 'just a little work'.
 
If I'm really mad, I change it to Jaguar!
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Re: I had once considered... [lokki] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 08, 2009 (2:41 pm)
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Replying to: lokki (Jan 08, 2009 2:36 pm)

Like my friend the Jaguar mechanic used to say to all his XJ6 customers who just bought in:
 
"You will have very good days with this car, and you will have very bad days with this car".
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Re: I had once considered... [Mr_Shiftright] by oregonboy
Jan 08, 2009 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 08, 2009 2:41 pm)

About ten years ago, a co-worker bought a very attractive used XJ6; dark green with beautiful wood and leather interior. He brought it in to work and was gushing about what a great deal it was.
 
One of the more knowledgeable "admirers" quipped, "You may have bought it cheap, but you have only just begun to pay for it".
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Re: I had once considered... [oregonboy] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 08, 2009 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Jan 08, 2009 3:39 pm)

Sad to say, it will probably bring him to his knees; but maybe he'll get some use out of it before it breaks down. Depends on how the previous owner lavished his money on it. I had one of these briefly, bought it for $2500, but only because the previous owner showed me $18,000 in repair bills. It actually ran fine for me for the 3 months I had it, even though it did stink of gasoline the whole time (leaking injector lines, a common complaint, and a nasty job to repair) and one of the two gas saddle tanks was disconnected (they rust and leak as well), and again, a tough repair--you have to remove the back bumper, back splash, trunk interior and various other components to fish it out. I never bothered. Got bored with it and sold it for what I paid. I wasn't going to sink more money into it just to "look rich for cheap". (or not so cheap as it turns out). I sold it locally but never saw it again.
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Re: I had once considered... [Mr_Shiftright] by oregonboy
Jan 08, 2009 (9:16 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 08, 2009 3:55 pm)

Well, this was ten years ago, and it did not come to a happy end. There was a series of issues, only one of which comes readily to mind. I recall him telling of (yet another) breakdown, trying to minimize the problem. "But it was only an little fire", he insisted.
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Re: I had once considered... [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Jan 09, 2009 (3:51 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 08, 2009 3:55 pm)

Those Jag saddle tanks always scared me. Aren't they actually inside the trunk? If so, that must make for a scary proposition when they do leak.
 
I always wondered why they didn't just put one single tank under the trunk. Unless, because of the shape of the car, maybe that would make the trunk itself too shallow to be useful? Nowadays, if a RWD car has IRS, they put the tank under the back seat, just like in FWD. Wonder why they didn't do that with the Jag? Unless again, there just wasn't that much room under there?
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Re: I had once considered... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 09, 2009 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 3:51 am)

No room under there for a big tank. Remember Jaguar at that time (pre Ford) was a "made-do" company, borrowing parts, improvising and really unable to correct all the initial engineering defects in the first models.
 
 They did improve the horrible automatic transmission on the XJ6, and finally got fuel injection on there--but even that had its problems. Like, why would you put rubber fuel injection hoses under the manifold? And why have the AC cool the fuel? And inboard brakes in the rear? (you have to drop the entire rear suspension and differential to change the rotors out).
 
Fires are something to watch out for, especially in the V-12s. You have those quirky injection lines cracking and leaking, the saddle tanks rusting out and leaking, and the fuel pump in the trunk often leaking.
 
The fuel injection for the V-12 model is sometimes referred to as "the auxiliary heating system", in typical British humor.
 
I like to think of an XJ6 as a cruel mistress. Pretty but very deadly.
 
As you know, I am very biased against this model, because it represents Jaguar's abandonment of its glorious sports car tradition (think Porsche) in order to make land yachts (think Buick).
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Re: I had once considered... [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Jan 09, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 09, 2009 8:49 am)

As you know, I am very biased against this model, because it represents Jaguar's abandonment of its glorious sports car tradition (think Porsche) in order to make land yachts (think Buick).
 
Was the XJ6 a direct replacement for that porky thing from the 1960's? The 420 or whatever it was called? Those things weren't considered sporty, were they?
 
Hey, in looking at some old pics, I just had a revelation. Well, to me at least...probably nothing new to most people. But it just hit me that the 420 is nothing but a clumsy re-skin of the old Mark II. Looking at pics side-by-side, it looks like the doors, roof, and all glass is the same.
 
Would the 420 at least still perform like a Mark II, or did they find a way to botch that up in transition?
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Re: I had once considered... [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 09, 2009 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 8:59 am)

I think the 420 G was a re-designated Mark X, not the same as the 240, 340, 420 iterations of the Mk II. Thus, the Mark X was almost 2 feet longer than the Mk II and as you might imagine, a large clumsy car.
 
I love the Mark II cars, (not the S Type, which I think is rather homely), especially with 4-speed manual trans with OD, wire wheels, 3.8 engine. Sweet car.
 
Really the only 4-door car in automotive history I can think of that I'm in love with. Some others I "like" (61 Lincolns, 65 Corvair 4D HT, blah blah) but the Mark II just "gets it all right".
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Re: I had once considered... [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
Jan 09, 2009 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 09, 2009 9:13 am)

So by "420 iteration of the Mark II", do you mean this thing?
 

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