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Long-Term Test: 2007 Toyota Tundra SR5 Double Cab - Starting with a 2007 Tundra SR5 double cab, we had two requirements: four-wheel drive and a V8. The big 5.7-liter V8. It's the most powerful, most capable, and is the closest match to our long-term Chevy Silverado's 6.0-liter mill. What it lacks in displacement, it makes up for in power: 381 horsepower and 401 pound-feet at only 3,600 rpm. Compare that to our Silverado, which kicks out 367 hp and only 375 lb-ft at 4,300 rpm. (more)
#2 of 41 The vast majority of SR5s
Oct 12, 2007 (4:44 am)
Have buckets up front. A $37k bench is a rare bird.
#3 of 41 More towing than Ford huh?
Oct 12, 2007 (11:37 am)
I'd like to know how you guys come up with "more tow rating than Ford" As I recall, the Tundra's max towing is 10,800lbs...which is 200lbs shy of the F-150's 11,000lbs max tow rating.
#4 of 41 Re: More towing than Ford huh? [hemi_ownz_u]
Oct 12, 2007 (12:40 pm)
For those that don't know:
Towing is like the bench press. A lot of people say they can bench 300 lbs. But their a$$ is a foot off the bench, their on their feet, and they move the bar 6 inches before someone comes in to pull it on the rack.
As has been shown in many comparisons, the Ford is no Titan (pun) when it comes to towing, as it is pretty much slower than any other truck with a load, or without a load.
The F-150, 2 years ago, was rated at 9000-9500 lbs. This was before the GM and Tundra were redesigned to tow over 10k. Now, all of the sudden, with no power added, the truck can tow 11k?
I'm not saying that it can't. Any truck can tow a great amount.
But that dog won't bark up that hill.
You won't see a Ford on an Tundra See-Saw ad. That ain't happenin'.
Edmunds knows what's up. That's why it wasn't in the comparison last year.
Tundra benchs 10k like Brady chops up zone defenses.
Ford is left holding an old bag. In 2009 they're supposed to get help. But it's not the kind the truck needs!
#5 of 41 Re: More towing than Ford huh? [hemi_ownz_u]
Oct 12, 2007 (4:56 pm)
I believe what was meant in the tow rating comments was that the Double Cab Tundra has the best in class towing of this cab configuration. The F150 is only rated to tow 9,500 lbs in this configuration as is the Silverdo, the Tundra can tow 10,600 lbs in the extended cab configuration.
#6 of 41 All hail Toyota...
Oct 13, 2007 (8:36 am)
Ugly on the outside. Cheap looking in the inside. It's got a good powertrain, but then again you can get a better one in the Chevy or GMC. I'm sure these details will be quickly overlooked and we will all be told we must fall in love with this truck. Pass the kool aid. Ugh.
#7 of 41 Re: All hail Toyota... [usa1]
Oct 13, 2007 (10:48 am)
usa1, I am somewhat stuck on your powertrain comment. Exactly which GMC or Chevy can you get a better powertrain in than the 5.7 L Tundra with a 6 speed transmission? The only trucks that even offer a 6 speed are the Denali ($42,000+) and the Escalade ($50,000+). Your Silverado and Sierras only offer 4 speed transmissions. Now maybe I'm just some dumb guy who "hails" Toyota, but isn't a 6 speed better than a 4 speed, and isn't 381 HP more than 367 HP and isn't 401 lbs of TQ more than 375 lbs of TQ? Please, I would love for you to respond to this usa1, let's hear your explanation??
#8 of 41 Re: More towing than Ford huh? [drfill]
Oct 13, 2007 (11:39 am)
Ford has a habit of underrating their towing ratings.
For all the greatness the Tundra seems to be, it still can't seem to manage a 5-star crash test rating. Don't forget about the bed bounce, both issues can be attributed to the frame's less ridged structure.
Oh yeah, those exploding camshafts don't make for a great reputation either.
Come to think of it...I don't recall edmunds reporting that in the news at all...
#9 of 41 Re: More towing than Ford huh? [hemi_ownz_u]
Oct 13, 2007 (1:14 pm)
Exploding camshafts?i will gladly take that over exploding trucks, AKA, flaming fords
#10 of 41 Re: More towing than Ford huh? [hemi_ownz_u]
Oct 13, 2007 (1:22 pm)
Motor Trend is reporting that the F150 will get the same 6.4L diesel from the superduty for MY2010. Everyone is is making smaller diesels for their light duty trucks. Not to mention Ford will at some point have the "Hurricane" V8 and a new 6-speed transmission in their stable as well. Since Ford's chassis is already the most sorted out of the bunch, the new powertrains will definitely make the upcoming F150s even more desirable. No offense, but the Tundra's current powertrain can't make up for it's disastrous looks and subpar interior.
Since when does Edmunds report when their wrong... just like their brand new report that the new 2008 Vue Green Line is the most fuel effiencient SUV. Last time I checked 29.5mpg overall (2008 Vue Green Line) is less than 32mpg overall (2008 Ford Escape Hybrid).
#11 of 41 Re: More towing than Ford huh? [toyota4life]
Oct 13, 2007 (1:24 pm)
You'll have to take questionable styling (interior and exterior), poor interior materials, and bed hop to go with your exploding camshaft as well.