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#4 of 23 Re: Are these disposable Cars? [smithed] by andre1969 Oct 09, 2007 (5:00 am)
Replying to: smithed (Oct 08, 2007 11:06 am) Indeed, some of the early (98-00 years) did have some problems that were caused by a combination of poor maintenance and some oil passages that were too small (from what I've read). These problems were resolved.   Oh, really? I didn't realized that they actually did go through the trouble to revise the engine. That's cool. Also makes me feel a bit better about the Trep in general, although if I were to go out and get a newer used one, I think I'd just splurge on a 3.5 model.   I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that the 2.7 was actually more troublesome in the "cloud cars"...the Stratus/Sebring sedans and convertible. From what I read, they had to redesign part of the engine, basically cutting off a corner of the block or head or something, to make it fit. And in redesigning that, it restricted some passage, either oil or coolant, and led to a higher incidence of problems in those cars. Now this is just going on memory, which is not always spot-on, so I may have gotten some of the details wrong.   The biggest achilles heel in the 2.7, I think, is simply the cost to replace when it does fail. Even if the engine is as reliable as a 3.2/3.5, it's still a lot more expensive to replace, and will make it more likely that the car simply gets totaled out rather than fixed. I've heard that there are some companies that will swap a 3.2/3.5 into an Intrepid with the 2.7, and supposedly it's a little cheaper than simply replacing the 2.7. A couple years back I saw a '99 Intrepid at the Carlisle PA Mopar show, and it had a 3.2 swapped in. I remember looking at the car and doing a double-take. It was a base model, but when I looked under the hood and saw the 3.2, I noticed something wasn't right!   Oh, as for the Charger, there was a cheap, rental fleet-only model that had the 2.7, but the rest of them either had the 3.5 or the Hemi. For 2007, they made the 2.7 standard, but if you specified option 27E, for $1000 more it got you the 3.5 and the 5-speed automatic. Or you could get the SXT package for it (I guess it was "technically" a package for the base model, and not a model in its own right) for about $4500, which also got you that engine. And for 2008, the 2.7 is standard again.   I guess one reason the 2.7 stays around is that it gets a fairly good EPA rating, and probably boosts their average. Now I know they just lowered all the EPA estimates in 2007, but under the "old" system, I think the 2.7 got 21/28, versus 19/27 for the 3.5. Otherwise, I really can't think of a reason for them to keep the 2.7 around. If it's more expensive for them to produce than the 3.5, wouldn't it just make sense for them to make the 3.5 standard? Or offer a reduced-displacement version, as they did with the 3.2? Or maybe there's something else I'm overlooking?
#5 of 23 from Allpar.com by smithed Oct 09, 2007 (7:07 am)
This passage comes from a box in the Allpar.com site about the 2.7 liter V6:   "The 2.7 liter engine had a tendency to generate sludge which caused engine failure. Similar problems have been appearing on Toyota and Volkswagen engines. We were told that, shortly after the first reported cases, Chrysler isolated the problem to the crankcase ventilation system; hydrocarbons were entering the oil and breaking down the additives. This problem has been solved (around 2002-2004), and the number of engine failures appears to be small. However, if you have an engine that might have this problem, frequent (4,000 mile) oil changes, vigilance, and crankcase ventilation system maintenance (or replacement with newer parts?) may be an answer."   So, as with most engines, maintenance is the key to longevity.
#6 of 23 Crankcase ventillation... by andre1969 Oct 09, 2007 (8:20 am)
would that be the pcv valve that mainly controls that? I forget what the service interval is for the pcv valve, but I always changed mine roughly every 15,000 miles. I'd do it at the same time that I changed the air filter. Replies to this message: smithed (Oct 11, 2007 6:54 am)
#7 of 23 Re: Crankcase ventillation... [andre1969] by smithed Oct 11, 2007 (6:54 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Oct 09, 2007 8:20 am) Yes, I think they meant the PCV. Sounds like your engine should be like a new one.   Ed
#8 of 23 Faulty charging system by softbaljack Oct 11, 2007 (2:52 pm)
2000 Intrepid ES, 3.2 liter V-6, 47K miles Door/and or dome lights go on at night when car is parked. Sentry system is off and there is still a drain on battery. Car is only driven 2 or 3 times a week and sits for 3 days at a time without being started. Florida temps are in 90's...could heat effect the battery? Battery has been replaced within the last year. Alternator checked out fine. Anyone had problems with recharging system, any clues to what my problem could be? Replies to this message: smithed (Oct 12, 2007 11:58 am)
#9 of 23 Re: Faulty charging system [softbaljack] by smithed Oct 12, 2007 (11:58 am)
Replying to: softbaljack (Oct 11, 2007 2:52 pm) It must be the battery if the alternator is putting out 12.5 to 14 volts. Just because a battery is less than a year old, doesn't mean it doesn't have a bad cell. Heat can affect batteries, as can cold. I live in SC, where it is just as hot and the original battery in my 1999 ES lasted 7+ years. If the 2 to 3 times per week drives are short, you may not have enough time to fully charge the battery. Take a long drive to charge things up and see what happens before you go to the trouble of changing the battery. They are in a bad place in our cars.
#10 of 23 engine noise 2.7 Ltr intrepid by stanman818 Jan 29, 2008 (6:09 pm)
Have a 2000 intrepid with a tapping noise on drivers side of engine near oil cap ,any ideas
#11 of 23 2001 Dodge Intrepid w/ high miles by neko1 Apr 27, 2008 (7:22 am)
#12 of 23 2001 Dodge Intrepid w/ high miles by neko1 Apr 27, 2008 (7:26 am)
I just recently purchased a 2001 Dodge Intrepid Se w/ 225k on it, the car had only 1 owner and that was a company, the maintainance on it seems to be very up to par, the body,engine,tranny all seem to be smooth, i just wander what i should be looking for as far as issues?
#13 of 23 Recently purchased a 1996 Intrepid by lorib43 Apr 29, 2008 (2:28 pm)
We have our vehicle for at least about two to three months. I know it is a used vehicle but we are having problems with it starting up. The Rack and Pinion went out last month and at least about three weeks later the car is not starting up. Is there a recall on the vehicle in the past that we don't know about? Replies to this message: yellowvette (Jun 07, 2008 12:57 am)

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