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2009 Toyota Venza Crossover

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semantics causes design change by roho1
Nov 05, 2008 (3:36 am)
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If you haven't seen this, read this, it will confuse things even more.
 
motor trend article
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Another review by petl
Nov 05, 2008 (4:49 am)
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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081105/OPINION03/811050307/1- 149/AUTO03
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Re: semantics causes design change [roho1] by hierax
Nov 05, 2008 (6:37 am)
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Replying to: roho1 (Nov 05, 2008 3:36 am)

The motor trend article is interesting - and slightly disconcerting regarding the move to lower the ground clearance simply to have it re-classified....although it sounds like it will still be a CUV....why change things before the vehicle is even out there ?
 
I was tentatively interested in a 4 cylinder AWD version - provided it can be smooth enough -
 
I'll wait and see till next fall how this plays out - when I'm probably in the market
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segment buster by nedzel
Nov 05, 2008 (7:01 am)
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What would be a true "segment buster" is if Toyota actually built a real station wagon again. That would be several inches lower and 400 lbs lighter than the Venza, with better handling and fuel economy to boot.
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Re: semantics causes design change [hierax] by nippononly
Nov 05, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: hierax (Nov 05, 2008 6:37 am)

What are crossovers but high-roofed wagons? Now they will LOWER the Venza from its former height, even as its roof was lower than most crossovers already? Well, then it will be a LOW-roofed wagon (or just plain ol' wagon for short).
 
The article does have a point that it is as much a 5-door hatch as it is a wagon, due to the steep slope of the rear hatch. Large 5-door hatches can't seem to gain a lot of traction in the North American market, so it will be interesting to see how the Venza does in sales.
 
And I am with nedzel, the Venza should be at least 400 pounds lighter, preferably 600-800, since it is just a 5-passenger wagon in the long run....
 
...and it's nice to see a 5-door Camry hatch return to the Toyota lineup, although a proper wagon with the extended roofline at the rear has more utility. But then of course it would compete more directly with the the Highlander (can't have that!) instead of being the automotive fashion design statement they seem to be trying to make it.
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Re: Pricing and Standard Equipment [qs933] by joeblack1
Nov 05, 2008 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: qs933 (Nov 01, 2008 4:54 pm)

Looks like they got a couple more in. I guess I'll be waiting a while before I get mine. It looks like they are coming in loaded to the gills. The car is exactly what I've been looking for. I was going to get an Avalon, but wanted to have versatility of a hatchback and 4wd for the bad winters in upstate NY. I think I'm going to have to keep my old Suburban running for quite a while in order to get a four cylinder version without some of the extra stuff that I have no need for. Maybe by sometime next spring or summer it will be possible to get less loaded versions with maybe at least a bit of a discount.
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Re: Pricing and Standard Equipment [joeblack1] by kdhspyder
Nov 05, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: joeblack1 (Nov 05, 2008 8:46 am)

Yes in the beginning of a launch the vehicle makers always ship the most loaded vehicles first. The 'gotta-haves' need to be serviced first which is just good retailing. Then as production ramps up and demand becomes more wide spread the other trims are shipped.
 
Not much unusual here and I agree that it will be spring before more choices are available.
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Re: Review [qs933] by md_outback
Nov 05, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: qs933 (Nov 04, 2008 11:37 pm)

I'm looking forward to seeing and driving a Venza as soon as they are generally available. But I have to agree with those who disagree with Toyota's claim that the Venza creates a new segment. As a previous owner of an Audi allroad and a Subaru Outback, I can definitely report that raised wagons with light off-road capabilities have been done before. Still, I think it is the perfect compromise between an SUV / CUV and a more car-like, lower riding wagon, or estate, or avant, or whatever you want to call it. Need to compare it with Murano, and new smaller CUVs like Audi Q5 and Volvo XC60 (the Venza will have a definite price advantage there). And while Audi and Volvo may be "premium" brands, the Toyota will probably be more reliable in its first year of production.
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how many features will it have? by docrw
Nov 06, 2008 (7:54 am)
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If Toyota is going to price this in the same ballpark as the Murano and market it as having the luxury of an Avalon then I'd like to see the following features, in addition to what has already been noted:
 
1. Power tilt/telescoping steering column
2. 8-way power passenger seat
3. Memory for seats, mirrors and steering column
4. Heated AND cooled front seats
5. Hard drive navigation
6. Power fold second row seats
 
These features are all found on either the Murano or Avalon, so should be included on the Venza. Does anyone have any info on their presence or absence in the options list?
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toyota designed this before oil prices rose by dfreshdee
Nov 06, 2008 (8:19 am)
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It seems that toyota began the design of this car just a year or so too early. It is simply too large, heavy, etc. to be the "camry wagon" that it is pretending. The article mentioning how Toyota is going to lower it 0.75" indicates they know they blew it. This car should have 3 less inches of ground clearance (which would reduce drag on highway), smaller tires and maybe weigh 250 less pounds. I will hold onto my car another 2 or 3 years and wait for a new generation of cars that will compete (and hopefully be better then) the Mazda 5 mini-mini-van. And I am sure the next generation Toyota Sienna/honda odyssey will all go on a diet.

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