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2009 Toyota Venza Crossover

1078 messages,  Last post on Nov 17, 2009 at 1:50 PM

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What is this discussion about? Toyota Venza, Car Comparisons, Wagon, SUV


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Re: Huh? [wwest] by roho1
Oct 08, 2009 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Oct 08, 2009 12:19 pm)

It would seem that Toyota is providing a system that doesn't work as claimed. The 07 Highlander has full time 4wd with traction control but the video shows their system won't move the Highlander when the front wheels spin.
Is that reacting?
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Re: Huh? [roho1] by wwest
Oct 08, 2009 (5:05 pm)
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Replying to: roho1 (Oct 08, 2009 4:04 pm)

"..is that reacting?.."
 
Absolutely...!!
 
The more the public has dumbed down the easier it si to sell non-functional features.
 
The Toyota Highlander, Sienna, and the Lexus RX series have not had a functional F/awd system.....FOREVER....!!
 
There is, can be no, full time 4WD.
 
But, in a literal sense the system that Toyota uses in the Highlander & Sienna, and Lexus in the RX series truly is full-time 4WD. Virtually useless full-time 4WD but full-time 4WD none-the-less.
 
But that's how Toyota's marketing gets away with misleading the buying public so vey easily. Marketing is not lying and the buying public is in the belief that if it says 4WD then that's what they need.
 
How can that be explained, reconcilled..??
 
The Toyota 4WD system as used above is 4WD just as long as one doesn't have need of REAL 4WD.
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toyota Venza Smart Key by myspringer
Oct 09, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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No one at the dealer knows how to operate it.
 
Are the doors suppose to lock automatically when you walk away from the vehicle with the smart key in your pocket or purse???.
 
I just bought the AWD V today
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Re: toyota Venza Smart Key [myspringer] by qs933
Oct 09, 2009 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: myspringer (Oct 09, 2009 4:52 pm)

I would be worried if my dealer couldn't explain how the Smart Key works...
 
To lock the doors without touching the Smart Key, you need to touch the indentations on the upper or lower left side of the exterior driver or passenger door handle after all the doors are closed.
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True...?? by wwest
Oct 10, 2009 (7:54 am)
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The 2010 F/awd RX350 has a 4WD "lock" mode, manual switch, but I cannot find an indication that the Venza is so equipped.
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Re: Huh? [wwest] by roho1
Oct 10, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Oct 08, 2009 5:05 pm)

I think instead of calling the public dumb it is more of a case of they are more misinformed by the media, marketing and so called experts. It becomes a who do you believe. Based just on what I've seen and heard in this forum it would seem Toyota is perpetrating a big fraud on the public. Traction control?
Even the video I posted here was done by Subaru so how does anyone know if this was done on the up and up?
Buyer beware, my 07 Highlander isn't was I thought was. I am now putting an asterisk on the Venza which is on my short list and maybe not for long.
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Re: Huh? [roho1] by volkov
Oct 10, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: roho1 (Oct 10, 2009 8:41 am)

Better phrase is that the public is ignorant. Fewer and fewer people know what's going on under their hood or undercarriage anymore. Partly because we are more apathetic and partly because of the technology. Everything has become 'black box' and we have to trust the info that the manufacturer provides unless someone takes everything apart or tests it.
I myself am not a fan of SC/TC/ABS mediated AWD systems for deep snow traction. Rear LSD are typically thought of as track options only these days, but they also work very well in deep snow. I was disappointed as Subaru has now dropped them from all but their STi - their top sport model. Even many faithful Subaru owners were unaware when it was removed from each model, and Subaru certainly didn't advertise it.
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Re: Huh? [roho1] by wwest
Oct 10, 2009 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: roho1 (Oct 10, 2009 8:41 am)

Yes, the Subaru could climb that ramp, but on the detrimental side having "symmetrical" AWD gives it its own set of shortcomings insofar as safety is concerned. I'd much rather have a simple RWD and be forced to use chains in those circumstances.
 
"... misinformed by the media..."
 
And who do you think supplies the DUMBED DOWN media reporter, editors and editorialists with the base material...?
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Re: Huh? [volkov] by wwest
Oct 10, 2009 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: volkov (Oct 10, 2009 10:52 am)

Subaru has probably opted to virtualize the rear LSD using "TC", as has the rest of the automotive world, inclusive of Porsche. Off-track you would be hard put to tell the difference.
 
But I'm with you, when more traction is required I put rear chains on my '01 F/awd RX300 and then add the fronts as matters dictate. I can't say I'm against VSC, just wish it were more like PSM on my 911. TC is NEVER of any reasonable use on my '92 LS400 (RWD) except as a forewarning of roadbed conditions for which I had not taking notice.
 
On the other hand I have no doubt that TC on a FWD or F/awd vehicle can be and often is a life-saver.
 
And I think ABS should be modified such that it does not activate unless VSC indicates a need.
 
In my personal opinion it would be rather nice if ONLY the rear brakes were applied initially as long as moderate to hard braking was not required nor ABS activating. Could be a real life-saver in wintertime and "no harm no foul" otherwise.
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Re: Huh? [roho1] by qs933
Oct 10, 2009 (5:16 pm)
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Replying to: roho1 (Oct 10, 2009 8:41 am)

I think instead of calling the public dumb it is more of a case of they are more misinformed by the media, marketing and so called experts.
 
Your skepticism of "so called experts" should extend to forums such as this one...
 
All of this ranting and raving about traction control and AWD across various manufacturers and what allegedly is and isn't happening has been interesting, but can it be moved to a more appropriate forum? Please?

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