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Black Box Data Recording

13 messages,  Last post on Sep 29, 2007 at 11:15 AM

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Re: Maintenance minder [blueiedgod] by stevedebi
Sep 26, 2007 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 26, 2007 12:25 pm)

"There have been cases where warranty was denied for blown engines because someone mis-shifted, or used forced induction but then removed it before taking the vehicle to the dealership. So, some information stays in the computer for days if not weeks."
 
These things are based on throwing an exception code in the software, which is different from storing vehicle settings and driving patterns.
 
As some people have already said, the "black boxes" only store a few seconds of data.
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Re: Black Box Data Recording [steve_] by volvomax
Sep 26, 2007 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Sep 26, 2007 12:25 pm)

Depends who is at fault doesn't it?
Obviously, if you are at fault, it won't help you. It will help your victim.
So, don't cause any accidents
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Re: Black Box Data Recording [volvomax] by user777
Sep 26, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Sep 26, 2007 12:35 pm)

it's possible parameters on the data bus are in error. for example, what if the velocity sensor was bad and the vehicle was registering 0MPH? does that mean the vehicle is stopped?
 
so there would be all sorts of additional analysis and expertise and revealed knowlege about the design of the system and validating the information contained therein that would be needed.
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Re: Black Box Data Recording [user777] by volvomax
Sep 27, 2007 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: user777 (Sep 26, 2007 4:04 pm)

You are talking about something that could only really happen in theory.
If one of the sensors that the black box records does go bad,chances are you would have to have the car towed to the dealer for repair anyway.
those sensors perform functions that are necessary for the car to operate on a daily basis. All the box would do is record their operation.
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I think it's a great idea by larsb
Sep 27, 2007 (9:26 am)
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If it is used to explain a crash and determine who was really at fault, then I'm all for it.
 
If you are trying to avoid prosecution for being the cause of a crash, you can't hide from black box data. I think that's a good tool for the good guys.
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Re: Black Box Data Recording [volvomax] by user777
Sep 27, 2007 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Sep 27, 2007 8:55 am)

not the speedo.
 
and do these recorders record the angular velocity of each wheel?
 
all i'm saying is that proper interpretation would require additional expertise to make sure the data was read and interpreted properly. the group which reads out the digital flight data recorders from planes post crash are a specialized group. you wouldn't want every police department or insurance company responsible for same on automobiles would you?
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Re: Black Box Data Recording [user777] by volvomax
Sep 27, 2007 (3:37 pm)
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Replying to: user777 (Sep 27, 2007 12:55 pm)

and do these recorders record the angular velocity of each wheel?
 
If they use the ABS sensors,they do.
 
There is NOWHERE near the same amount of data on these recorders as there is on an airplane's.
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I notice that in the last 3 years all Toyota's come with a 'Main Reqd' by kdhspyder
Sep 28, 2007 (2:11 pm)
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...reminder on the dash.
 
I think that it's more than a coincidence that one of the huge issues Toyota had was over the sludging problem and their contention that the maintenance was not done timely. Now everytime the light comes on it's normally reset when the service is completed.
 
Black Box recording these events?
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Re: I notice that in the last 3 years all Toyota's come with a 'Main Reqd' [kdhspyder] by volvomax
Sep 28, 2007 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Sep 28, 2007 2:11 pm)

Probably,because when the light is reset, the maintenance clock starts over.
Euro cars have had maintenance indicators for quite a while.
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What data is recorded? by oldfarmer50
Sep 29, 2007 (11:15 am)
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Just what data is recorded on the "black box"?
 
I assume that routine engine operation functions are monitored but what else? How long is it stored?
 
I remember stories back a few years where GM was taking readings of stored data and using them to deny warranty claims. As I recall, the car recorded every time the speed was over 80 and the dealers were claiming customer abuse.

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