Last post on Jan 06, 2008 at 8:26 PM
You are in the Buick Rendezvous
What is this discussion about?
Buick Rendezvous, Suspension, SUV
#123 of 132 Re: good for you.. [hawaiianguy]
by steve_ HOST
Oct 02, 2007 (7:59 pm)
steve, i'm glad you own a vehicle that seems to be rated well both according to IIHS, NHSTA and SCORE...
It's not. But the newer ones are.
Nissan may not have paid any attention to SCORE but they did pay attention to the NHTSA and/or the IIHS.
#124 of 132 Re: my personal opinion [hawaiianguy]
Oct 02, 2007 (9:44 pm)
the other car looked totally damaged but my bumper didn't look like there was a scratch ...
Hmm - no crumple zone - I'd be worried about that!
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#125 of 132 Where's the meat????
Oct 03, 2007 (1:13 pm)
A person states the RDV (unspecific model and unspecific year) has the worst Roll Over of all other vehicles and it starts huge amounts of replies. 126 so far.... I love it!!!! This is starting to be more fun then previous replies....
As stated many times above, I simply keep asking "where's the meat???" behind this statement. Where is the details to support this info????
For some "example meat" that I keep asking for (to believe the RDV is the worst vehicle for roll overs), surf:
Within this article, notice its many columns, its many different catagories (vehicle design, people driving style, driving conditions, etc. etc.) and its many different 3rd party "drill down" links. Drill down info that I can link to and further read more details. Details written by different people. When I read this online article, I can determine "for myself" if I believe their study. Not only do they explain why, where, when and how, they also show 3rd party aticles - supporting their own data.
Perhaps I'm from old school of "show me, then I will believe" attitude. Perhaps I've gotten BSed too many times before from high level lettice statements - and no meat to back it up. If somebody states "my product is best" or "my product is most dangerious", the author needs to explain in. Period. I've yet to see "any meat" the RDV is the worst vehicle for roll overs. What a minute??? Perhaps the 15 Passenger van is the worst for roll overs. Was the 15 passenger van tested against the RDV model??? (if they test cars against pickups against mini-SUVs, I hole they included Vans as well). I wonder. Can't tell unless I "see the meat" behind one's statement...
#126 of 132 More meat???
Oct 03, 2007 (1:34 pm)
Examples of "more meat" are:
Notice how other vehicles score different then the RDV.
Notice how other vehicles score higher then the RDV.
OK - who's test is correct??? I don't have a clue. And I don't really care. I don't have a favorite of one publisher over another.
With all these stats and many more, I would then "overlay them" together. And, do some stats ontop of stat scores myself. If the Mustang, Ford 150 Pickup, 15 Passenger van or even the RDV had the "most dangerious consistant" pattern in a safety category (like roll over risk) then, I would take notice.
I would then ask myself... Is there anything "I can do" do reduce this risk myself??? Stuff like better tires, better shocks or other low cost improvements. Is upgrading the item worth it - to me? And like many, I would buy the "upgrade parts" (out of my own pocket) that I feel would eliminate that specific safety / performance increase risk.
If one person stated "xxx brand is the worst", I expect that author to show their details. And if I cannot see a "proven pattern" from their supporting info or "a pattern" from drill down info from 3rd party "same tests", then sorry to say... I dismiss that single article.
#127 of 132 "Where's the meat?"
Oct 03, 2007 (7:20 pm)
"Where's the meat?"
This thread is beginning to sound like those old Wendy's commericals where the old ladies keep saying "where's the beef?"...
#129 of 132 Re: Where's the meat (beef)?? [hawaiianguy]
Oct 04, 2007 (7:44 pm)
You are a very smart person and very down to earth. My humble appologies for my first poke (at you) - which starting the many back and forths in this thread. Thanks for teaching me many things. Things I didn't realize before. Hopefully, you will continue to reply to posts on this Edmunds forum. Your contribution does help many. Again, humble appologies for "sparking the bust of email frencies". As some would say, the one's we learn to respect the most is the one's we often battle the hardest with. Thanks for forcing me to expand my knowledge. Especially in the Auto safety area.
#130 of 132 no problem. thanks!
Oct 04, 2007 (7:54 pm)
"the one's we learn to respect the most is the one's we often battle the hardest with."
spike99. Well, looks like I finally met my match. I mean, if you ask my wife, anyone around me, I'm always the one who has to have the "last word" in an argument. I never would have thought I would have given up, but with you, I did! haha. So I finally found someone on this earth who is more stubborn and hard-headed than myself. I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing because I'm still stubborn, but I think I try to think my way out of a corner, and argue my points in a logical fashion... You on the other hand are just plain persistent, and I finally met my match when it comes to being persistent! But anyway, it's been fun discussing this issue and I had fun with the subject, and you helped me in a way hone my arguing skills and my written communcation skills also. As you know, however, I tossed in the towel and let you have the last word -- You won! haha. Anyway, yea, no offense meant in any of this... It was fun. Thanks for the compliments. I also admire your persistence... Good luck in life!
#131 of 132 Re: Rendezvous Suspension Upgrades [hawaiianguy]
Jan 06, 2008 (8:06 pm)
I to have searched high and low on the net to find any sup upgrades and have found none. This to me is very frusterateing because they make sup upgrades for almost every other suv except the Buick Rend. So i took the next step and began to call and email the major companys and sugest that they make a sup upgrade for a Rend. If you come across any thing in the future for sup upgrade pls let me know.
#132 of 132 using oil on long trips
Jan 06, 2008 (8:26 pm)
Over X-mas my wife and I drove 12 hours to her parents and when we got there I found out that my 02 Rend used 4qts of oil. This has happend the last two trips there. So I did what and mechanic would do, I checked the plugs so sign of burning oil. I drove the vehical about 10 miles and parked in my garage and left it sit till it cooled then looked to see if any oil leaked on to the concret and there was nothing. I also checked the air cleaner to see if I was getting any blow by no evidence of any. I also checked the exhast just incase it was burning oil and some how the plugs just werent showing because it was such a small amount and as I suspected no indication in the exhaust that it was burning oil.I also checked the PCV and it was working properly. I then proceded to take it to the local chev dealer and they found nothing on there diagnostics equip to indicate that it was using oil. I am very mechanically inclined and have been servicing my own vehicals since I was 14. I am 28 now and in all the years that I have serviced vehicals never have I come across anything that I cant diagnose my self from listening or from past experiences than my current problem. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS. This is the most frusterateing problem I have ever encounterd with cars.