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Acura RDX, Mitsubishi Outlander, Buick Enclave, Car Comparisons, SUV
#19 of 38 Re: I think I am going with the outlander [chelentano]
Oct 25, 2007 (6:36 pm)
It's not regular 5-speed automatic transmission. It features Adaptive Shift Control that "adjusts to the way you drive to give you fluidity or performance when you want it." In manual mode Downshift Rev Matching "automatically
opens the throttle to match the rpm for smoother gear changes."
This transmission isn't award winner like their engine, but
showed very good performance and reliability for a last few years on G and FX. And because EX is nothing, but mix of two of them, Infiniti puts the same transmission into EX.
Nissan are testing now their "say good-bye to gears, revolutionary X-tronic CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) on Altima. Nothing can beat CVT - it's for sure. So, it will find its way into Infiniti soon.
#20 of 38 Re: I think I am going with the outlander [alex789]
Oct 25, 2007 (6:44 pm)
Actually I test drove a car with CVT and it was kind of weird, didn't feel the acceleration at all! then maybe it was the cars fault.
Anyways, I finally realized the Outlander is missing too many things that I don't want to give up on so I am back looking at other CUVs. I am thinking RDX, or a edge/mkx with sync! who knows, its back to square 0 for me.
#21 of 38 Re: I think I am going with the outlander [alex789]
Oct 25, 2007 (9:01 pm)
"adjusts to the way you drive to give you fluidity or performance when you want it"
Whatever marketing verbage they use, the bottom line is: it's only a 5-speed transmission on the "luxury" car. Shame. The true luxury Mercedes uses 7-speed transmission, BMW and Outlander use 6-speed.
#23 of 38 Re: Nice techie useful CUV [casolorz]
Oct 28, 2007 (9:37 pm)
If you willing step up to the larger CUV, Enclave could be a good choice. Very smooth and quiet, stylish (inside too);
A lot of room, features and towing cap. too.
Go cars.com - Reaserch - Buick Enclave - Owners and Expert
reviews. You'll get 9 expert reviews. Check out what owners say. After that, go to Edmunds Buick Forum.
#24 of 38 Re: Nice techie useful CUV [alex789]
Oct 29, 2007 (4:03 am)
Does it have bluetooth? or some sort of onstar thing?
#25 of 38 Re: Nice techie useful CUV [casolorz]
Oct 29, 2007 (4:04 pm)
Yes, Enclave has OnStar assistance system and hands free phone as Standard on all models. Enclave has jaw dropping list of standard equipment, including Power driver and passenger seats, I-pod connection, Power Tilt/Telescope stirring wheel, Power heated outside mirrors with turn signals, outside temperature indicator, tire pressure monitor, Bi-xenon headlights, fog lights, Tri-zone automatic climate controls (driver, passenger and rear), Heated front seats, and on and on... Some standards feature are unique, like custom 19" Michellin tires spacialy disignied to reduce tire noise (CXL), or memory system not just for a seat, but for mirrors too (CXL), or two-way remote start has LCD screen on the key fob that tells you whether the doors are locked and the engine is running among other info (optional).
A lot of Optional equepment (6 packages).
Some people, who don't use 3rd-row seat much and keep it flat-down, bought 2nd-row split-folding seat, instead of two captain chairs, got $495 back.
I'd say, Enclave is a 'techiest' CUV around. Just try it and you will fall in love with it.
#26 of 38 Re: Nice techie useful CUV [alex789]
Oct 29, 2007 (5:48 pm)
40 to 45k. Really?
#27 of 38 Re: I think I am going with the outlander [klas]
Oct 29, 2007 (9:02 pm)
An article is a bit inaccurate. Almost any number in it is wrong (see my comment # 2 and others).
But 45K, probably, is right.
Only problem is, that when you said, that fully loaded EX35 cost 15K more than fully loaded Outlander, it sounds like for the same equipment we have to pay 15 grand more. But point is: fully loaded EX has much more than Outlander.
Technology Package, including: Around View Monitor System (with 4 cameras);
Lane Departure Prevention System (not just warns you, but automatically applies one side brakes to push you back to your lane);
Intelligent Cruise Control (also applies brakes, if you too close to a vehicle ahead).
Just this package alone can cost close to 5K.
Or Adaptive Front Lightning System (headlamps move in the direction of a turn).
Or Voice Recognition System.
Or Bi-xenon Auto-leveling Headlights (against regular xenon headlights).
Or Leather appointed center console and doors with African Rosewood and Structured Aluminum trim (against cheep kids automobile plastic on the doors of Outlander). And more…
We know: EX35 will come as Base RWD, Base AWD, Journey RWD and Journey AWD.
Pricing still is not clear yet, but I do have Sunday issue of Chicago Tribune (Nov., 28) with Jim Matija review on Journey AWD model. It said – 35K. But again - its estimated price.
A lot of, what fully loaded Outlander has, is a regular stuff, while just standard equipment on Journey AWD is top notch or highest quality, like premium lather and black lacquer trim, or
Power sliding tinted glass moonroof with one touch open/close/tilt and with sliding sunshade (against regular power sunroof).
Some standard on Journey AWD equipment fully loaded Outlander does not have at all: LED taillights; Auto dimming mirrors; Power folding/unfolding rear seat.
Ad to this “Scratch Shield”, special elastic stuff in the finish, which helps erase small scratches in one to seven days and 297 hp engine and will be understandable why better to pay 5K more for EX35 Journey AWD (of cause, if price really will be 35K), than 30K for fully loaded Outlander.
#28 of 38 Re: Nice techie useful CUV [gene_v]
Oct 29, 2007 (9:51 pm)
Prices Buick Enclave
2WD CX 32,055/29,971 (invoice)
AWD CX 34,055/31,841
2WD CXL 34,255/32,028
AWD CXL 36,255/33,898
I learned 2WD CX is the most demanding model and long gone,
but it was few month ago.
Pricing is very aggressive to bit MDX and RX.
Buick is hopping to start new life with Enclave, back to those days when Riviera and Reatta were prestigious cars and
everybody knew expression 'Buick-Quality'.
So far, people are very happy with New Enclave.
I'd say than pay 30K for small RAV-4 (6 cyl.), Santa Fe or
fully loaded Outlander, maybe make sense to ad 4K for AWD CX, especially, if you have GM MasterCard