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Nissan Rogue vs Honda CR-V vs Toyota RAV4

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Re: reply to #38 & #39 [blufz1] by thegraduate
May 21, 2008 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 12, 2008 8:10 am)

Lift gate is a better solution than swinging gate.
 
In our case it actually wasn't. We could open the hatch of our 2002 CR-V (Swinging Tailgate) in our garage, but couldn't open the liftgate of our 2000 Odyssey minivan; the van's hatch would hit the bottom portion of the raised garage door.
 
Different strokes for different folks.
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Motor Trend Comparison by thegraduate
May 21, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Did everyone see this?
 
Click Here to see the five-way comparison of the Forester, Vue, CR-V, Rogue, and RAV4 4-cylinder models.
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Re: RAV4 V6 vs Rogue [captain2] by bdyment
May 22, 2008 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 13, 2008 8:02 am)

Unfortunately there have been many Murano owners who have major problems with their CVTs. They do cost as much, if not more so to fix or replace than a conventional automatic. Check the Murano forums.
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Re: RAV4 V6 vs Rogue [bdyment] by captain2
May 22, 2008 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: bdyment (May 22, 2008 5:23 am)

Unfortunately there have been many Murano owners who have major problems with their CVTs
Of course there have
 
forums like this are bad places to be making any assumptions about any car's problems or reliabilities simply because folks that have a problem with anything are going to all over these forums looking for help or maybe just to vent. Nissan has produced and sold hundreds of thousands of CVTs and at least tens of thousands of Muranos so equipped for years now. Of course there will be a few folks out there that have had problems with it and I could certainly find a lot of those folks complaining quite loudly (and often) on a Murano forum entitled 'transmission issues'.
A better source of info. on the 'success' of the CVT might be consumer statistical compilations (CR for example) and/or any records of CVT related recalls and/or TSBs. Or if Nissan were abandoning the CVT (because of warranty costs). On this basis (and others) I think you'll find that the Nissan CVT has been a remarkable success, been quite trouble free, and also something that Nissan is expanding to more and more of their vehicles including now the Rogue which essentially uses the Altima's engine/tranny - a car they sell a mere 300,000 of during the year.
  
BTW, I think I said that the CVT shouldbe cheaper to repair (because of its mechanical simplicity). If it isn't - I wonder if that is really a function of the 3rd party independents not being 'able' (or trained) to do it yet or that these newer 5 -6 speed + conventional trannies are dictating that the era of the $1500.00 tranny rebuild is over. Many dealers will generally farm out their tranny work to independents - if Nissan dealers are having to do it themselves (or there are few qualified to do it) it would not surprise me that it could get quite expensive.
Obviously the 'jury' must still be consideredto be out on the CVT, after all it has really only been around since 2003 in the Murano- but any implications that the tranny has been anything but a success I think is incorrect.
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Re: RAV4 V6 vs Rogue [captain2] by jd10013
May 23, 2008 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 22, 2008 9:25 am)

Your spot on cap. the cvt is cheaper to repair. the problem is, nissan doens't want to repair them. they prefer to take them out and replace for new. the biggest reason as far as I've seen, is because they want to tear them apart and find out what went wrong. anyway, some transmission shops will fix them, and rebuild kits are available. your absolutely right in that judging the cvt based on forum threads titled "transmission problems" is a pretty poor indicator.
 
I don't feel like doing the search, but for anybody interested, nissan has said several times that their xtronic CVT is MORE RELIABLE than the auto trannies they used to use. even though some people have had problems with their cvt, not as many have had problems as had problems with nissans auto transmissions.
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Re: RAV4 V6 vs Rogue [jd10013] by captain2
May 27, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: jd10013 (May 23, 2008 7:50 pm)

nissan has said several times that their xtronic CVT is MORE RELIABLE than the auto trannies they used to use
and given that they now use the CVT in most of their vehicles - you would expect them to say something different?
I think though that - within this thread - the 'traditional' electronic 5 speed in the RAV4 V6 vs. the CVT in the Rogue, I think you'll find more complainers on the Toyota websites despite that V6 being about the best engine on the planet.
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Re: RAV4 V6 vs Rogue [captain2] by jd10013
May 27, 2008 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 27, 2008 9:11 am)

well, it's not just nissan saying the cvt is more reliable than the autos'. Its bassed on warranty work. the cvt's have less claims per however many vehicles than their automatics do/did. I don't think thats the case with the MT's though.
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Re: RAV4 V6 vs Rogue [jd10013] by captain2
May 28, 2008 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: jd10013 (May 27, 2008 12:26 pm)

a corollary of Murphy's Law - the more complicated anything is - the more likely it is to break - in this case high to low degree of complication = multi speed conventional AT, the CVT, the MT. As you say, likely the same order of reliability expectations - in reverse order.
There are so many folks on the road today that have no experience/training with MTs. Since the CVT and MT both offer similar fuel efficiencies, it will be interesting to see if it's the CVT or the MT that picks up in popularity as gas surges to $5.
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Towing a trailer with a Rogue by almostpar
Jun 01, 2008 (5:49 am)
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I have a tear drop trailer that weighs 1500 lbs I want to tow with my Rogue. The towing capacity is 1500, but that's unladen, so I thought I'd use a weight distributing hitch to compensate for any excess.
Does anyone have experience towing with the Rogue?
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Rogue vs. CR-V by taz16
Jun 01, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (May 28, 2008 6:19 am)

I like the CR-V, but I have to say I love the Rogue, has better performance and also fuel economy, the Rogue's all wheel drive system reacts faster than the CR-V and has a 4wd lock button which the CR-V doesn't have.
 
For the CRV, mainly the performance is the key issue.
 
I think Honda should put the new 2008 Accord top 4-Cyl engine in it.
 
That engine has 190 horses with 162 pound ft. of torque
 
I think the CR-V will be more competitive with that engine will increase the CRV performance & fuel economy, also adding a lockable 4wd button and a faster wheel slippage reaction time for the all wheel drive to engage the rear wheels

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