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Saturn Aura vs. Honda Accord

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Re: Accord vs. What [phaetondriver] by robertsmx
Nov 25, 2007 (9:11 pm)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 25, 2007 2:30 pm)

if all but 1 say the wheelbase is 110 inches and the 1 say it is 112 inches, and they grade that car lower because they said it was 112 inches that is not easy to overlook. That is what CR has done with a lot of products and that is why I don't believe what they say.
 
So, if MT is the only one that says 122 - 116 = 9, then you wouldn't believe what they say?
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Re: Accord vs. What [venus537] by phaetondriver
Nov 25, 2007 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 25, 2007 6:11 pm)

The whole wheelbase thing was hypothetical, an example of how CR seems to get a lot of their specs wrong a lot of the time, at least back when I was a member/subscriber.
Thought that was obvious
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Re: Accord vs. What [robertsmx] by phaetondriver
Nov 25, 2007 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 25, 2007 9:11 pm)

So, if MT is the only one that says 122 - 116 = 9, then you wouldn't believe what they say?
Only if they said that because it was 9 it is not as good as another brand that was a 6, and did it on more than one occasion.
You don't see that giving incorrect data and basing an opinion on that incorrect information sort of makes the opinion a poor one? Way to many people take everything they say as gospel, because they don't know how to do their own research or just don't want to take the time.
 
I am not saying the information about any car in this discussion has been inaccurately reported or used by Consumer Reports or that their opinion about any of the cars is based on such information. I said They have done it is the past and I found their opinions biased and inaccurate because of it.
All you CR lovers out their can believe everything they write if you want to, I really don't care. If you don't like my opinion, that is too bad.
 
Now lets move on because I don't want to get into a personal confrontation with anyone. It isn't what these forums are for, so lets keep it about the cars, not the reporters or each other.
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Re: Accord vs. What [phaetondriver] by robertsmx
Nov 25, 2007 (9:49 pm)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 25, 2007 9:45 pm)

It was part of MT COTY evaluation. If it weren't, why would they "compare"?
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Re: Accord vs. What [robertsmx] by bvdj84
Nov 26, 2007 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 25, 2007 9:49 pm)

I think the Aura is a nice car, it is a huge step up for saturn. But, that does not mean that they don't have anything to improve on. I think they need to work on the overall material they use on their cars, really GM cars in general. It has a slight cheap look and feel to them all. There is alot of plastic. The dash, the doors, the plastic like exterior door handles, just the overall feel of the car, to me it felt a little cheap, for a car the costs a in the $20k's. I am not suprised, but this is what they have always done, there feel of quality was always a bit low. But, with that said, it is still a very nice car!!
Really it a matter of opinion. If you want one, then get one, its great. I am a big Honda fan, I love the Accords. I'll get my 08 Accord, EX-L navi. Drive them both, and claim a good opinion of both.
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drive ratios by chrono
Nov 26, 2007 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Nov 26, 2007 7:15 am)

Ask and you shall receive. Got this from the saturnfans which has a great forum -->
 
Transmission Hydra-Matic 6T70
Gear ratios:
First 4.48
Second 2.87
Third 1.84
Fourth 1.41
Fifth 1.00
Sixth 0.74
Reverse 2.88
Final drive ratio 2.77
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Re: drive ratios [chrono] by robertsmx
Nov 26, 2007 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: chrono (Nov 26, 2007 11:28 am)

Thanks! Ratios look taller than I expected. Here are some calculated numbers in each gear (Max speed/Max Thrust)
1: 43/0.62g
2: 68/0.40g
3: 107/0.25g
4: 115*/0.19g
5: 115*/0.14g
6: 115*/0.09g
* Governed
 
Numbers for Accord EXL/V6
1: 45/0.61g
2: 76/0.36g
3: 113/0.24g
4: 130*/0.17g
5: 130*/0.13g
* Assuming the Accord's top speed is governed at that point
 
Two things that stand out. One, the sixth gear in Aura is extraordinarily tall. OTOH, the fifth is reasonably spaced so it is too short to be a second fuel efficient gear. Outside of cruising speeds on level ground, the car is likely to use the fifth more than the sixth (the same problem that exists in Mercedes' 7-speed auto, the seventh is too tall to be useful for extended period, but in that case, the sixth is actually very close). This doesn't sound like a recipe for good around town fuel economy (or even on hilly areas).
 
Accord's third (the high speed passing gear for most part) is virtually identical to Aura's third. So, if both cars were cruising down the highway, and had to make a pass, Aura will have to go down three gears to be as effective in passing as the Accord will be going down two.
 
Also note, Accord's fifth provides similar thrust as Aura's fifth, but it can afford to be that short because it is operating in four cylinder mode when cruising at moderate speeds. The thrust impact will show up only when driver accelerates.
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Re: drive ratios [robertsmx] by phaetondriver
Nov 26, 2007 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Nov 26, 2007 11:54 am)

Looks like your estimate is right on the money
I did a run up the freeway on-ramp in 2nd till the fuel shut off cut in. It was right at 69 MPH but 68 is probably when it hit and I didn't feel it till 69. This was so close to 7000 rpm that I could not tell if it was over or under by 100 RPM or so.
 
My method for using the gears on the road is at freeway speeds coming to a grade that starts to slow the car even a little, I drop to 5th. This seems to help maintain the speed and, I think the best economy. Really steep grades may cause me to drop to 4th, and I have not found a grade that required a lower gear to maintain 70 MPH.
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Re: Accord vs. What [elroy5] by phaetondriver
Nov 26, 2007 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Nov 25, 2007 2:54 pm)

Do you really think "Midsize Sedans" should be graded on .5 G differences, and .4 second differences in performance? Is that really so important? Are these cars being purchased for performance competition? You may be one of the very few who sees these numbers as all important in this segment.
 
This comment made me think, Several comments have stated that performance is not what Honda, Accord, (family) sedans are about.
If Honda/Accord owners aren't into the performance, horse power, an cornering, WHY DID HONDA RE TUNE THEIR V6 FROM 240 HP TO 268 HP, AND PUT IT NEAR THE TOP OF THE FAMILY SEDAN CLASS FOR HORSE POWER?
Some have said that the HP of the Honda I-4 is all that is needed, yet Honda has increased that engines power from 166 to 190 this year.
These are very significant increases in HP are they not?
Looks to me like Honda sedan owners have asked for more HP which can only mean most want better performance, but I could be wrong again.
So tell me again why Honda Family Sedan owners aren't interested in performance.
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Re: Accord vs. What [phaetondriver] by elroy5
Nov 26, 2007 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 26, 2007 2:00 pm)

Performance is important enough, that the Accord will be competitive. The added weight and size of the car also made it necessary to increase HP. The 08 Accord (from what I've read) is no faster/quicker than the previous model. The Accord increased in size and interior room, without sacrificing fuel economy or the already adequate performance. I think these cars are plenty fast enough at this point. I think if performance is so important that you have to have the fastest midsize sedan, the Accord may not be the car for you. If you want more interior room, a smooth ride, and the highest quality and refinement, inside and out, the Accord is the Cat's meow.

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