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326 messages, Last post on Dec 19, 2007 at 5:48 AM
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 24, 2007 6:56 pm) I give, what car got the 75? Not the accord?
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 24, 2007 11:25 pm) A few years ago the Jetta finished dead last in a comparison test from Car and Driver and I agreed with what they had to say about the Jetta. I don't remember the other cars in the comparison but I do remember that I would have personally chosen the Jetta over the others as it would be the best car for me based upon what I want in a car. So I guess the moral of the story is even if some writer doesn't care for a car you're interested in the information he/she provides can still be beneficial.
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 24, 2007 6:56 pm) |
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 25, 2007 1:19 am) First off, I don't take anything CR says, as gospel. To many time I have verified the facts and figures they publish are in error thus their finding are in error. I was a subscriber for many years, but became upset with their inability to be fair and unbiased as they claim to be. I read the link you sent us to, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for that, and it showed the '07 Accord had a total of 68 pts. several above the Aura, and the '08 got 75. \That seems like a massive increase over the previous year so the '08 Accord must be a huge improvement over the '07, which seems very unlikely. Based on this report, the Accord is by far the best car in the world for 2008 and should receive all of the BEST awards presented to an automobile available. I will await those presentations, and I applaud Honda for making such improvements, but I will keep my Aura for the time being 
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 25, 2007 9:16 am) When these kinds of publications give the controls of virually identical dashboards an 8 in one car and a 6 in another, when they screw up a report on child safety seats, does it really matter what they think? |
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 25, 2007 9:16 am) Why would American car reviewers, working for an American publication, consistantly pick an inferior Asian car over it's American competition? I don't see the logic behind this claim of bias. I read the link you sent us to, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for that, and it showed the '07 Accord had a total of 68 pts. several above the Aura, and the '08 got 75. \That seems like a massive increase over the previous year so the '08 Accord must be a huge improvement over the '07, which seems very unlikely. Consumer Guide has many different categories in which they grade the cars, so one point higher in areas such as interior room, comfort, ride quality, noise levels, standard safety features, economy, and design could easily account for the extra points for the 08 Accord. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing a category for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. It must not be considered an important attribute for "family sedans".
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Nov 25, 2007 9:16 am) I would be too if all I owned were American cars. All I'm saying is they don't take advertisement money, they put thousands of miles on the car (not hundreds like others), they keep them for months (not days like the others), they don't sugar coat their findings and the guy who heads their road testing division seems to be a good chap. Seriously, all these preview tests from the advertisement press no matter the car come across as cheer leading for the car manufacturers. I'm sure those who attend the introductory press junkets are treated well and want to come back again. I'll take their accuracy of figures over any other publication any day. In any event I don't believe any publication intentionally publishes figures that are inaccurate. And I'm talking about the road testing only, I don't want to open up a whole can of worms pertaining to the validity of their reliability ratings. As for being bias, Consumer Reports is run by human beings so of course there's going to be some bias and errors in judgment. According to James Healey, the road tester at USA Today, many of the testers at Consumer Reports drive American vehicles. So there. |
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Replying to: elroy5 (Nov 25, 2007 10:09 am) But the points in the acceleration category indicates how well a car accelerates. For example, to receive 7 points the car has to be under a certain 0-60 time. I don't recall what that figure is (I think it's 7 seconds or less) but it's listed on their hard copy publications. I couldn't locate it on their web site.
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Replying to: venus537 (Nov 25, 2007 10:51 am) |
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Replying to: elroy5 (Nov 25, 2007 10:09 am) Why would American car reviewers, working for an American publication, consistantly pick an inferior Asian car over it's American competition? I don't see the logic behind this claim of bias. My reference to inaccurate specs and facts relates to many different items, some consumer electronics, entertainment system components, computers, and kitchen appliances. Car magazine road tests often come up with different results for the same tests because they are done at different locations at different times of the year etc. R&T has the Aura XR at 0-60 in 5.9 seconds and C&D had it a 6.4 while Saturn got 6.5. For example, G force ratings come from differenet diameter circles which give different results. Tire pressures alone can make a 0.5 G difference on the same skid pad on the same day on the same car. This is to be expected by car mags road tests and I can live with that. but if all but 1 say the wheelbase is 110 inches and the 1 say it is 112 inches, and they grade that car lower because they said it was 112 inches that is not easy to overlook. That is what CR has done with a lot of products and that is why I don't believe what they say. As long as CR maintains an equal evaluation on everything in a specific class that's great, but I haven't seen it yet. That said, the new Accord has to be the best car in the mid sized family sedans for 2008 (as long as performance is not an issue) and deserves COTY hands down.
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