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Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 30, 2007 6:49 am)

Let's have a show of hands ....
 
I don't think that works on a message board.
 
I think the severe fine and penalties Belecheat and the Patriots received speaks for itself. So, I'm guessing "every other team in the NFL" are doing it the old fashioned way, looking at game action on the field of play, to figure out what their opponents are doing during a game. They sure aren't using cameramen off the field of play to do it.
 
Don't really think it fair of you to implicate the entire NFL over the actions of one team either. All of these years and this is the first time a team has been caught cheating? That's like saying because a small group of ML baseball players got caught cheating using sterioeds... "every other player" in MLB was using them.
 
And you said it yourself, you have to PLAY to win.
 
I never said that.(cheat to win)
 
The Patriots were caught cheating in their game against the Jets(?). I thought at the time, and still do, that they should have to forfeit that game.
 
But, I gave the Patsies their props... said they probably would have won without cheating. They are a great football team, no doubt about it. But, hey... if you stick an asterisk on Barry Bonds, you'll have to stick one on the New England Patriots. How is it any different?

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Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 30, 2007 12:17 pm)

So if they hadn't been using the cameras, they weren't "cheating"?
 
Duhhhh. That's absolutely correct. According to NFL rules the use of cameras or videotaping equipment on the side lines is strictly forbidden. If the Patsies were smart they would have hired some goober with a photographic memory to wander around the side lines and watch what was going on. Instead it cost their coach a half million bucks and the team a couple draft picks... and probably an asterisk for cheating should they go on to win the Super Bowl.
 
So go right ahead and throw Barry Bonds into it. If you don't see the difference between the two, then it's unlikely that any explanation from me will clear up things
 
LOL. You can't think of a rational explanation can you?

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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 30, 2007 2:49 pm)

I assume we don't have to suffer through the Dolphins drinking champagne every 11th or 12th game anymore though.
 
Yeah, I got tired of reading about that annual drunkfest about 2 decades ago.
 
It was classy of Don Shula to say that if the Pats went on to win the Super Bowl he would be the first to congratulate them. Though Shula never tried to pull something in the way of cheating that Belecheat did.

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Replying to: jipster (Dec 30, 2007 3:05 pm)

Belecheat
 
You misspelled a word there. I'm sure you just made a mistake.
 
-moo

I gotta say congratulations to the Patriots. Simply the best football team EVER !!!!
 
I do like Tom Brady, as he did win us a national championship at Michigan
 
-Rocky

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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 30, 2007 7:23 pm)

Simply the best football team EVER !!!!
 
Huh? Say what? A bit premature...they haven't even won a playoff game yet.
 
The 1986 Chicago Bears team is the best football team EVER. They dominated throughout the season, playoffs and Superbowl... beating the Patsies. I'd also put the mid to late 80's 49's teams with Joe Montana ahead of the Patriots as well. Every Dallas Cowboy team, since Tom Landry had hair, as well.

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Replying to: jipster (Dec 31, 2007 5:14 am)

Brady, would have a field day picking a part the 85/86 Bears. So would Peyton Manning. They were slow !!!! Walter Payton, was running on what one leg and a cane at that point in his career ??? Jim McMahon, was probably the worst QB to ever win a Superbowl and the Pats defense would of ate his lunch. That team is way over-hyped. I can't even remember a WR from that team that should tell you something.
 
The 49ers were a great team but they won a couple of superbowls on lucky catches. Randy Moss, Stallworth, Welker, would of overwhelmed their corners. They did have Montana, who is one of the best and of course Rice, so it would be a good game but the Pats defense I think would be the deciding factor.
 
Troy Aikman, behind Brady, is the best QB of all-time IMHO. Aikman, is greatly under-rated on the all-time list and the guy was not only super intellegent, tough, and had a strong arm, buthe probably had the most accurate arm of all-time. The guy about 4 or 5 years back was doing a Dallas, game and one of the reporters said something to the fact that if hey Troy, if you were healthy enough could you still play at this age ? Troy grabbed a football and threw a perfect pass into the Dallas Cowboy cannon across the field. The reporter nor the audience could not believe there eyes.
 
So the Cowboys team of the 90's is the only team I think would challenge the Pats. The only other one that comes to mind is Elway's Superbowl teams.
 
-Rocky

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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 31, 2007 8:50 am)

Brady, would have a field day picking a part the 85/86 Bears.
 
Huh? Say what? Ya gots to be kidding? Brady wouldn't have time to pick his nose... much less any time to be picking apart the Bears defense. When opposing teams get to Brady with a good pass rush is when the Patsies lose. The 86 Bears with Buddy Ryan, as D.C, had the best pass rush in the history of the game. Ain't no team come close to singing and performing a hit song like the "Super Bowl Shuffle" like the 86 Bears neither.
 
The 49ers were a great team but they won a couple of superbowls on lucky catches
 
You mean like how the Patriots were lucky to win that snow bowl against the Raiders(?) on the fumble that was ruled not a fumble. And the luck the Patsies had in winning 3 Super Bowls by 3 points....2 on a last second field goals?
 
Troy Aikman, behind Brady, is the best QB of all-time IMHO. Aikman, is greatly under-rated
 
Well, I'd like to argue about that too.... but just can't. Troy's a good color commentator as well.
 
My only wish is for a competitive Super Bowl, regardless who is in it. There will be growing pressure on the Patsies in the playoffs. They win the Super Bowl and I'd throw them into the small pot that are considered "greatest teams".
 
But, I'd still throw an asterik on their winning streak and undefeated season. (had to throw some whining in there for my good buddy pf-flyer.)

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