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75 messages, Last post on Sep 12, 2008 at 3:35 PM
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The back order status on these parts must be more local than national. Hadn't received my notice on my 03 but called my dealer---not the one I bought from- he checked to see if my Liberty was involved--it was. Brought it in the next day and had the work done.
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Replying to: jayrider (Oct 07, 2006 7:22 am) The design of the Liberty front suspension is insane. You all need to understand why. Rather than support the vehicle by a ball joint that is being pushed into a socket the vehicle is supported by a ball joint that is being pulled out of the socket. I doubt that Jeep is the first to use this configuration but Jeep should have seen the stupidity of the idea and never used it. I will write more on this later when I have more time. 
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Replying to: siberia (Oct 31, 2006 7:20 pm) http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html An engineer wrote, “The [ball joint] specifications were changed, the durability cycles were changed, as well as the loading factors, all downwards from standard JTE specs. This was to follow a directive to reduce cost of SUV parts, because, as so many people have noted here, SUV's aren't used offroad generally. The point is, the joints have a full lifetime as designed and predicted. The issue is not with the parts being poorly made, the issue is the wrong spec was used.” This seems to have originated by an argument between the Executive Engineer (just below VP of Engineering) of Vehicle Development (who was an old Jeep guy) and Financial (which had the backing of Bob Eaton). The parts meet the specification, but the specification was changed to save money - as with Neon head gaskets, AC, and exhaust donuts. Apparently the ball joints are not strong enough for on road use much less off road use. 
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Replying to: siberia (Nov 01, 2006 5:04 pm) Our short term solution is to park the CRD until the recall work can be done. It will be used for short low speed errands around town and will not see any highway use until after it goes to the dealership for repair. A half clunk half thud has developed in the right front under certain conditions. When I pull out briskly from a side road and turn left onto a highway there is a pronounced thud in the right front on perfectly smooth road right as I start to straighten the wheel. I believe the thud is cause by what is called "stick-slip". Stick-slip is what happens when the ball in the ball joint sticks against the bearing material and slips loose suddenly with a thud that is transmitted through the suspension. If you are experiencing vagueness or numbness in your on-center steering going down the highway the ball joints may be sticking or not moving freely. I think the problem with the ball joints can be overcome, but not by replacing the stock ball joints with more of the same. I plan on sticking with this vehicle because I like it and it has a unique and rare combination of capabilities. But the ball joint issue has to be resolved. 
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Replying to: siberia (Nov 01, 2006 6:52 pm)  http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/library.aspx The tie-rod ends and upper and lower ball joint studs are easily removed using an off-the-shelf pitman arm puller. But you will need a good hydraulic press or ball joint press to remove and install the new joints.
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Replying to: siberia (Nov 04, 2006 6:48 pm) This scenario is absolutely untrue in the case of my Liberty. At 28k miles the grease seals were in perfect condition and the ball joints still contained plenty of grease that if contaminated was contaminated internally by excessive wear. The measurement was simply out of tolerance due to excessive wear and would have eventually dropped me on the pavement as has happened to others.
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Replying to: siberia (Nov 05, 2006 5:53 pm) Is your clunk the passenger side motor mount? Only one post of a lbj failing at the end of a highway ramp-usually they fail coming to a stop with the wheel turned. It was interesting to read that honda got the two converters, I once mentioned, into a single unit in their new diesel. Maybe they will use the ac idea - as long as they can keep the oil out of the intake.
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Nov 06, 2006 3:55 pm) No, my CRD had that clunk some time ago and I tightened the motor mounts. The new clunk/thud is apparently gone now that new ball joints are installed. |
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