Last post on Oct 12, 2007 at 6:58 PM
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Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, Ford F-150, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Comparisons, Car Buying, Truck
#295 of 333 Re: Did anyone see the CR test of the 4 major full-size players [bugchucker
Oct 09, 2007 (2:29 pm)
I think you will find Tundra loyalists doing that more than anyone else.
#296 of 333 I think not
Oct 09, 2007 (2:53 pm)
The desperation doesn't lie on that side of town.
But the sales records do!
Oh, there is no joy in Detroit. No, there is not.
Oct 09, 2007 (3:55 pm)
Oh, how profound you are Doc,
So, tell me doc, in detail....Why should someone choose a Tundra over a GMT900, please back up your reasons. Maybe this will get this back on topic. Let's talk about the trucks, not Toyota's sales records. I don't care about how many Camry's or Prius's or even about the measly 144K Tundra's sold this year. Pretend I am a customer that just walked into your showroom and am looking at the Tundra (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit just typing that). Tell me why I should buy it. Fair enough?
#298 of 333 Like you'd wise up?
Oct 09, 2007 (4:36 pm)
I don't think so.
If you want a test drive, or a walkaround, head over to your Toyota dealer! And form an orderly line (no cuts).
I know your game, it's old....and lame.
#299 of 333 Re: Like you'd wise up? [drfill]
Oct 09, 2007 (4:39 pm)
Afraid of a good, clean debate? Maybe you are wiser than I thought!!! I just wanted to get back on topic and debate the trucks, but I guess you'd rather stick to your profound little riddles.
#300 of 333 1/2 ton REG Cab 2WD short bed
Oct 09, 2007 (5:12 pm)
I'm considering a 2008 1/2 ton regular cab 2WD short bed pickup. It's been real tough to find a decent review of this type truck. Most reviews are in the extended or crew cabs with 4WD. I've been to Edmunds, KBB, Intellichoice, MSN, and the manufacturer sites.
Where can I find objective reviews of this truck type?
I've either owned or regularly drove company Ford, GM, and Toyota pickups. No experience with Dodge or Nissan pickups. I won't tow anything or haul heavy loads. I'd like decent MPG, comfort, power, reliability, and resale value.
#303 of 333 Re: Did anyone see the CR test of the 4 major full-size players [1offroader]
Oct 10, 2007 (6:42 am)
Ridiculous? Really? Why? Would you like your stockbroker working for the company whose stock he is touting? How about your doctor prescribing you meds you may not need, while he's getting a big fat check from the pharma company? How about your lawyer working both sides of a lawsuit, without telling you? Is that OK too?
OF COURSE we have biases, that's fine, and it's what makes the posts interesting and informative. But when someone is BEING PAID by the company whose product he/she is promoting, that's a whole different ballgame IMO. It's an entirely different dimension. It's so important, in fact, that there are LAWS against it in almost all areas of the economy. It's called "conflict of interest" and it's against the law in most areas of business.
You seem to think it's OK, but it's not OK with me, and I will question anyone's opinion who may who may be motivated by money.
Geeeez, dude. You are really taking this seriously.
We're not talking about insider trading here - let's stick with reality. Why should I care if someone sells Toyotas or Fords or whatever? It doesn't put them in any better position than you or I to win a debate about whose truck is best if we are being objective. What is your motivation for saying so many negative things about the Tundra? No one is inferring that you or anyone else stand to profit from your posts.
To take the position that everyone must take some lame oath that they are not a car salesman or in a position to profit from the success of a car company is completely ridiculous and totally disconnected with reality. I really don't care if you own stock in GM or if you sell GM's for a living. In the end, the reality is that the products speak for themselves.
#304 of 333 Re: I think not [anythingbuttoy]
Oct 10, 2007 (4:02 pm)
We've gone back and forth on this several times on different sites so here's the valid summary:
Both trucks are top of the line right now. Each has different characteristics that put it at the top of the list depending on what you want the truck to do.
The GMT900s have a generally larger payload capacity;
The Tundras has higher towing capacity than all the 5.3L GMs
The Tundra and the 6.0L GMs have approximately equal towing capability.
The Tundra has lower EPA ratings than the 5.3L but slightly higher ratings than the 6.0L.
The Tundra has all the safety equipment standard in all models.
The GMT900s have all the safety equipment standard only on some models and not available at all on other models. ( Yes Ma'am you did hear that correctly.' )
The Tundra is the ONLY truck on the market with a 6 spd tranny and a 4.30 rear end. That helps in towing, in acceleration and in fuel economy vs all the other 5 vehicles. The Tundra has both the highest high gear and the lowest low gear.
The IIHS, the Insurance Industry's testing arm, has given the Tundra its top rating in a frontal crash and top rating overall.
.........Aside: this is a marketing gaffe on GM's part IIHS Large Pickup rankings
The GM trucks are well known for their durability just as the Toyatas are know for their quality, dependability and reliability. Each is a good choice in this regard.
The Turning radius of the Tundra is smaller than all the others on the market making it more manueverable in tight spots.
These generalities apply to all models.