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First Drive: 2009 Honda Fit - Inside the Fit's cabin, it's apparent that quality levels are up, with improved plastics, more supportive seats and a tilt-and-telescoping steering wheel. Meanwhile, a new dashboard layout looks softer, reflecting a special effort by stylists to appeal to women. (more)
 
2009 Honda Fit Sport Full Test - Bottom Line: If only every sequel were so good. It's as if Honda used our long-term test blog about the 2007 Fit as a road map for the 2009 model's improvements. (more)


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OIL CHANGE by widetrack2000
Oct 12, 2008 (8:25 pm)
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I remember someone telling me you should have the first oil change AND THE FIRST ONE ONLY done much sooner than the owners manual recommends on a brand new car somewhere in the 2500 range and then start following the regular maintence schedule. The last new car I owned had an engine block with four hoses so I'm a little in the dark with these 100% computer controlled engines.
 
Any thoughts?
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Re: OIL CHANGE [widetrack2000] by toronado455
Oct 12, 2008 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: widetrack2000 (Oct 12, 2008 8:25 pm)

I asked my mechanic about this once and his advice was to have the first ever oil change on a new car at 1000 miles to get rid of any metal particles that might exist from engine break-in. Then start with regular intervals after that. That seems to make sense to me.
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Re: OIL CHANGE [widetrack2000] by byron2
Oct 13, 2008 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: widetrack2000 (Oct 12, 2008 8:25 pm)

Hi Widetrack2000:
 
Changing the oil first at 600 miles to remove any leftover manufacturing debris used to be the rule (I first heard this in the '70s) but I believe that is no longer as applicable as it used to be. It's in Honda's best interest that your engine (and car) are as reliable as possible. Suffice it so say their products walk that talk, so I suggest you do what Honda recommends in this area. No disrespect to anyone but I don't think any individual knows as much about what to do in this instance as the $50M engineering organization that designed the engine - and many other very reliable engines as well. In the Fit manual they also indicate that the oil from the factory is formulated specifically for break in. Would not want to remove that too soon.
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Please, no lugging and no early oil & filter changes by dweiser
Oct 13, 2008 (8:41 am)
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Hi,
On this planet it's NEVER good to make an engine lug. This is especially true of a new (or re-built) engine. That's n-e-v-e-r allow it as in do NOT do it to your lovely engines! (My other vehicle is a Porsche). I too was taught to change the oil & filter on a new car early, like at 500 to 1,000 miles. This is now old and incorrect advice. Machining of new engines has improved greatly and so the metal filings, etc. that used to be found in a new engine's oil just aren't there now. PLUS, I have been told that Honda is one of the few auto-makers to use "break-in" oil to help protect a brand new engine. Change the oil before the manual says to and you're throwing out the break-in oil. While I would not bet the farm on the break-in oil info I was given I would bet it on the lugging issue.
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Re: OIL CHANGE [byron2] by lubricator
Oct 13, 2008 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: byron2 (Oct 13, 2008 7:17 am)

Honda recommended changing oil & filter after one year on my new Fit Sport A/T.
Use dealer maintainance or lose guarantee.
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Re: OIL CHANGE [lubricator] by toronado455
Oct 13, 2008 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: lubricator (Oct 13, 2008 8:52 am)

I was told once by a VW dealer that they put a special oil in at the factory that should be left in for an EXTRA LONG TIME - (I don't remember if that was 5000, 7500 or 10000 miles.) This was around 1992. So I have heard all different things.
 
One would think that if the factory installs a special brake-in oil, and the engine brake-in period is COMPLETED at about 500 miles, then it shouldn't be any harm to change that oil at 1000 miles. But if there are no metal particles anymore, and the special oil is for some other purpose, then that changes everything. So I'm really confused now.
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Re: OIL CHANGE [lubricator] by bobw3
Oct 13, 2008 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: lubricator (Oct 13, 2008 8:52 am)

The oil put in by the factory is a special oil designed to go until the first scheduled oil change (9000 miles in my case). The idea that you need to change the oil in the first 1000 miles to get rid of particulates is bogus...what do you think the oil filter is for? Of course some folks waste their money changing it every 3000 miles to keep jiffy lube in business too
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Re: OIL CHANGE [bobw3] by toronado455
Oct 14, 2008 (12:41 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 13, 2008 2:15 pm)

bobw3,
 
Actually, I believe in 3000 mile oil changes precisely because I think that even though the oil will last longer than 3000 miles, the oil filter will not.
 
If break-in particulates exist, and the oil filter is catching them, how long will that filter last if it is clogged up with all those particulates? Perhaps one should leave the factory oil in for the full recommended mileage and just change the filter at 1000 miles?
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Re: OIL CHANGE [toronado455] by bobw3
Oct 14, 2008 (3:56 am)
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Replying to: toronado455 (Oct 14, 2008 12:41 am)

But what is the basis for thinking that the oil filter won't last? Do you think that oil is not flowing through the filter at a sufficient rate based on ....?? Of course you can always be on the safe side, but until someone provides engine failure rates based on changing oil at different intervals, I think it's best to stick to the manufacturers recommendations as compared to the jiffy lube recommendations, especially with modern cars and more sophisticated lubricants. Of course a person could change transmission fluid, power steering fluid, radiator, tires, etc sooner than required just to "play it safe" and that's an individuals choice.
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I finally found something I don't like about my Fit by dweiser
Oct 14, 2008 (6:02 am)
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My Honda Element locked its doors when I told it to. My 09 Fit locked them when IT wanted to! I'd run out to the garage to get something from the glove compartment and the passenger door was always locked. Even though I'm an ex-New Yorker and therefor paranoid and distrustful of all humans I don't lock my cars in my locked garage.
I got out the owner's manual and read how to defeat this auto-locking. It's easy thank goodness, on page 83.
Then I got to wondering (I know, too much time on my hands) are ONLY the US Fits designed this way, with auto-locking doors? Could we hear from our neighbors in Canada and elsewhere if their Fits act like this as the default? Because if it's only the US Fits, imagine how the Japanese MUST view our society; as this crime ridden crazy country where people either try to jump out of moving vehicles or they try to jump in a moving vehicle to do harm or that we're too stupid to lock our doors? Wait, they may have a point.

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