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Toyota Highlander Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning

107 messages,  Last post on Nov 16, 2009 at 5:13 PM

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Broken or Designed This Way? by bobinco
Nov 15, 2009 (3:31 pm)
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Probably a straight forward one for you all. I have a 2009 HH - I doubt that it being a hybrid affects this issue. I have the manual heating and air configuration. It's annoying that even with the fan turned to the off position and cabin recirc disabled, I get some mixed air out of where ever the selection knob is pointed. Of course, you can get no air flow in the recirc mode but when the humidity gets high enough in the cabin it automatically goes back to outside air and the air starts coming through again. Is it designed like this - outside mixed air when not in recirc- or is mine broken with a vane that's not closing all the way? We never noticed this in our test drives because it was august and 100f and the A/C was on continuously
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [bobinco] by wwest
Nov 15, 2009 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: bobinco (Nov 15, 2009 3:31 pm)

First, you probably do not want absolutely no incoming fresh airflow for the same reasons the system will not remain in recirc with the A/C off. The best you can do is place the system in defrost/defog/demist mode and therefore "baffle" the incoming airflow. If you want minimum heating of the incoming airflow then simply place the system in max cold and defrost/defog/demist mode before tuning it off.
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [wwest] by bobinco
Nov 15, 2009 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Nov 15, 2009 4:31 pm)

Thanks for the answer but I must admit I'm a bit baffled by it. The downside of not providing fresh air to the cabin - off really means off - is not apparent to me. Instantaneous fogging of the front window can't be an issue if there is no airflow to get the moisture there. I guess they're trying to protect you against yourself in the event that moisture levels really build up and you turn on defrost/demist. I gather from your answer that the system is designed this way and that mine is operating as designed. I like my Highlander immensly but "the draft" is driving my wife, and therefore me, nuts
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [bobinco] by wwest
Nov 15, 2009 (9:46 pm)
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Replying to: bobinco (Nov 15, 2009 7:03 pm)

Human body metabolism, breathing & perpiration, is a high source of moisture in a closed passenger cabin, 4 passengers = DANGER.
 
During the winter months the incoming fresh airflow will typically have a lower Rh than the cabin atmosphere. Have you tried routing the incoming airflow to the footwell. Also, during automatic operation the footwell airflow is often as much as 20F warmer than the airflow you get from the dash outlets.
 
Oh, and you can, and should, manually close the leftmost and rightmost dash airflow outlets.
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [wwest] by tidester HOST
Nov 15, 2009 (10:59 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Nov 15, 2009 9:46 pm)

Oh, and you can, and should, manually close the leftmost and rightmost dash airflow outlets.
 
Aren't those the ones that are intended to remove moisture from the side windows?
 
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [tidester] by wwest
Nov 16, 2009 (9:44 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 15, 2009 10:59 pm)

Yes, but primarily only if the A/C is operating. Poster is complaining of the discomfort from natural throughput airflow due to forward motion and these vents can ONLY be closed manually.
 
Besides which, I have NEVER expereinced the front side windows being a problem. IMMHO it is ALWAYS the windshield that initially fogs over, begin sto fog over.
 
The airflow from any dash outlets can be discomforting during cool or cold weatehr operation so I always try to remember to close these during the wintertime.
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [wwest] by tidester HOST
Nov 16, 2009 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Nov 16, 2009 9:44 am)

I have NEVER expereinced the front side windows being a problem.
 
My side windows invariably become a problem when fogging occurs. Fortunately, I live in a dry climate so it doesn't happen very often.
 
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [tidester] by wwest
Nov 16, 2009 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 16, 2009 10:08 am)

Do you mean in addition to windshield fogging..??
 
If not then the airflow from the side vents themselves may be the problem, carrying moist airflow due to the A/C being cycled off as a result of declining OAT or even "exiting" the defrost/defog/demist mode with the A/C otherwise disabled.
 
Any time the A/C cycles off there will always be a substantial level of condensate remaining on the ~10,000 square inches of evaporator vane surface area. The only place for that to "go" is to (slowly..?) evaporate into the passenger cabin. Might even be, often is, the next morning before you see the results of yesterday's A/C operation.
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [wwest] by tidester HOST
Nov 16, 2009 (3:28 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Nov 16, 2009 12:47 pm)

Do you mean in addition to windshield fogging..??
 
Yes. It was a major problem when we lived back east in a much wetter climate.
 
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Re: Broken or Designed This Way? [tidester] by wwest
Nov 16, 2009 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 16, 2009 3:28 pm)

Was not only a PITA but downright dangerous here on the "wet" side until I figured out how to "manage" the climate control system. Basically I NEVER allow the A/C to operate for other than actual cooling. Using the c-best options it remains fully off, "disabled" throughout the winter months.

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