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Onstar in Enclave
by booster2
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Sep 15, 2007 (5:01 pm)
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Does anyone know where the Onstar box is mounted in the Enclave? And, has anyone tried disabling it (ie: pulling fuse, removing connectors, etc.)? I'm thinking of buying one but would only do so if I can disconnect the Onstar and I don't have to dissasemble half the car to do so.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [booster2]
by hardhawk
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Sep 16, 2007 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: booster2 (Sep 15, 2007 5:01 pm)
I am curious as to why you feel the need to disable onstar? Since the first year service cost is included in the price there is no added cost to you. Are you afraid of being tracked by big brother (GM)? Not being critical, just curious.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [hardhawk]
by booster2
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Sep 16, 2007 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: hardhawk (Sep 16, 2007 1:18 pm)
Yeah, that's part of it. Too much information, or potential for abuse. Also, GM is selling customer data, based on what and where you drive to 'approved' marketing partners. I've heard of some pretty 'coincidental' advertising recieved by people. And they even say so in their privacy policy, which they also state they can change at their will. Way too much information going to a private company. I just don't trust it and don't want even the potential for tracking out there. No, I'm not involved in any illegal enterprises. And as GM has already lost one lawsuit for snooping in on someone's conversation, albeit at the behest of the FBI, I'm just uncomfortable. Plus, I don't feel the need to have it, considering the potential for abuse. I mean come on, how many people end up upside down, totally away from civilization where they need Onstar to find them? Except for a very few well publicized cases, I'd say almost none. And since I won't be driving my vehicle in the middle of nowhere in Montana, I don't so the need for it. That and I really hate having have something, and having to pay for it, that I don't want. Probably will be the end of GM products for me.But, I did find find out that the Enclave Nav system is not dependant on Onstar so I'm still thinking about it. All I have to do is find the unit, remove the power and disconnect it so I still have a shot. Or else it's the Acura MDX for me. Sorry, a little long but that's my thinking.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [booster2]
by grand6
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Sep 16, 2007 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: booster2 (Sep 16, 2007 1:52 pm)
I recall when I was looking at ordering the enclave I used edmunds TMV feature to get idea of cost. I believe that among the options there was a check box there for "onstar delete". It therefore may be possible to order the Enclave without onstar. When I ordered the Enclave my dealer did not give me the option and I personally had no problem having it included. When I ordered my 2006 corvette I remember having the option of deleting onstar at the time of order which in that case I did(did not want antenna sticking up)
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [grand6]
by grand6
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Sep 16, 2007 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: grand6 (Sep 16, 2007 3:26 pm)
Yes I just checked and there is an option code UEO for onstar delete(fleet)---not sure what fleet means though---perhaps rental cars can have this deleted only?? Best to check with dealer.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [grand6]
by booster2
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Sep 16, 2007 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: grand6 (Sep 16, 2007 3:26 pm)
Thanks. I'll look into it. I'm pretty sure it's standard equipment now but if I can order one without it, I would do that.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [booster2]
by hardhawk
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Sep 17, 2007 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: booster2 (Sep 16, 2007 1:52 pm)
Thanks for that information. Pretty eye opening to me! Given the fact that our civil liberties are being trampled upon with regularity now in the name of the "Patriot Act" I could see where law abiding citizens should be concerned. I wonder about the government's ability to drop in on Bluetooth equipment as well.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [hardhawk]
by booster2
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Sep 18, 2007 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: hardhawk (Sep 17, 2007 5:13 pm)
Yeah, that's how i feel too. I have to say that I cannot prove anything regarding GM's usage. I only have stories from real users I have talked to. Alo, read the Onstar privacy policy:
http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/privacy_policy.jsp
See what you think. Appears to be lots of loopholes. Just not for me. really bugs me to have to pay for it, esp. if I am able to depower the unit. Then I have a dead box I paid for. Good thinking there.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [booster2]
by bobelew
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Sep 20, 2007 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: booster2 (Sep 16, 2007 1:52 pm)
I think that you might be overreacting way too much about the onstar system. Everything that you are worried about can be said about your cell phone or GPS Navigation systems. If you have them on, they also track your location. How do you think they have found all of those lost or injured hikers, hunters etc. I sure wouldn't worry about Big Brother wanting to know your every move. First it is against the law without a court order, and secondly how could they possibly track every onstar user? With the vast number of systems out there, that would be a much more difficult task than the FAA has in tracking each plane in flight. As to the advertising you are receiving, that could have come just from the purchase of the car.
When you think about all of the positive things that the system can do for you, like their turn by turn directions through the radio and the onboard diagnostics, just to name a couple, I think that this makes the system a great advantage! Another option would be to not pay for the service, or opt out.
This system has proved to be so popular that other auto builders are designing similar sytems for their cars and trucks.
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Re: Onstar in Enclave [bobelew]
by hondaford
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Sep 20, 2007 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: bobelew (Sep 20, 2007 11:49 am)
I am a senior citizen with some specific health problems. I noted several years ago that my readers digest was full of advertisements for drugs and other remedies for my specific ailments. Aint that a coincidence? Every time you use a discount card at
safeway, they record all your purchases. Advertising dollars are dear and they are targeting as much as possible. I am about to get my first onstar car and with all the data out there, this little bit more doesn't worry me.
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