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#10 of 544 It's too early to tell by nedzel Sep 24, 2007 (9:21 am)
I sure hope that the Volt succeeds. The big question mark is the battery pack: how much will it cost, how long will it last, and what range will it provide in Minnesota during the winter, with the defroster running and the battery pack cold-soaked?
#11 of 544 Way Too Early by 1stpik Nov 21, 2007 (11:09 am)
Since the words "General Motors" and "success" don't seem to go together anymore, I have to make this point: the Volt can only "succeed" if the GM actually MAKES the car. Right now, it's all hype.   Telling everyone in 2007 that you'll build a revolutionary car by 2010 means nothing. The Big Three have been playing this game since the 1950s. We're all hip to the scam now.   The Volt project only makes me wonder how advanced electric propulsion technology would ALREADY be if GM had not scrapped the EV-1 project a decade ago. The people who "killed the electric car" are now telling us they're going to build an even better one ..... in a few years.   Yeah, right.   I'll believe it when I see it.   Replies to this message: tpe (Nov 21, 2007 5:05 pm) gagrice (Nov 21, 2007 6:30 pm)
#12 of 544 Alternate Route on the Volt by pf_flyer HOST Nov 21, 2007 (11:29 am)
Charging Up   Still a big hurdle or two if Chevy is going to get the Volt to market by 2010
#13 of 544 Re: Way Too Early [1stpik] by tpe Nov 21, 2007 (5:05 pm)
Replying to: 1stpik (Nov 21, 2007 11:09 am) You can't compare GM's efforts regarding the Chevy Volt to their EV1. In the case of the EV1 they were mandated by CARB to produce this vehicle and they did so, kicking and screaming. The Chevy Volt is internally motivated and GM has promoted it to the extent that to not deliver would represent a major "black eye". I believe we will see the Chevy Volt. Whether or not GM meets their 2010 timeline will be dependent on battery technology, not their resolve. I believe that GM has seen the light and they realize the EV is the future. I think they also realize this is a chance to leapfrog Toyota and they aren't going to pass it by. I wish them success. Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 21, 2007 6:30 pm)
#14 of 544 Re: Way Too Early [tpe] by gagrice Nov 21, 2007 (6:30 pm)
Replying to: tpe (Nov 21, 2007 5:05 pm) I agree with that analysis. I do not know how CARB and the state of CA get off the hook on screwing up the EV-1 project. Must be the Hollywood crowd that want to make GM look bad and CA look good. I am cheering for GM and the Volt also.
#15 of 544 I'd like to see the Volt succeed as well.. by kdhspyder Nov 23, 2007 (3:47 pm)
..but it has a lot of hurdles to overcome in 2+ years.   The vehicle was redesigned as noted in Inside Line this week. The battery technology ...and the supplier/subcontractor hasn't been chosen yet. GM is floating the trial balloon about leasing the batteries. ..to keep the cost down? ..to ensure against premature failures? ..to ensure against too rapid technological developments? The whole concept of plug-ins is still of questionable 'utility' for a large segment of the population ( park on the street in any large city? )   Beyond that evertthing is going smoothly... Replies to this message: tpe (Nov 23, 2007 5:07 pm) gagrice (Nov 23, 2007 9:45 pm) kdhspyder (Nov 24, 2007 5:05 pm) gagrice (Nov 24, 2007 5:52 pm) tpe (Nov 26, 2007 10:11 am) and 21 more...
#16 of 544 Re: I'd like to see the Volt succeed as well.. [kdhspyder] by tpe Nov 23, 2007 (5:07 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 23, 2007 3:47 pm) The whole concept of plug-ins is still of questionable 'utility' for a large segment of the population ( park on the street in any large city? )   What's your point? No one is suggesting that everyone currently buying Accords and Camrys will suddenly transition to an EV. I personally have a garage and a place to plug-in an EV. I don't think that makes me all that unique, but I could be wrong. There is no single model of vehicle sold today that accounts for more that 4% of total sales. So apparently you don't have to appeal to everyone to have a marketable vehicle.   The only question regarding the Chevy Volt is whether or not it will meet their 2010 timeline. There is no question in terms of its viability. Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 23, 2007 9:45 pm) kdhspyder (Nov 24, 2007 5:05 pm) gagrice (Nov 24, 2007 5:52 pm) tpe (Nov 26, 2007 10:11 am) kdhspyder (Nov 26, 2007 1:13 pm) and 20 more...
#17 of 544 Re: I'd like to see the Volt succeed as well.. [tpe] by gagrice Nov 23, 2007 (9:45 pm)
Replying to: tpe (Nov 23, 2007 5:07 pm) It is a segment that has no options at present. It gives GM a chance to lead rather than follow. Most of the subdivisions around my area do not allow overnight parking on the street. I thought that was the way most cities were headed.   Apartments in Anchorage have plug-ins for keeping the car warm. It is a natural for the Volt.
#18 of 544 Re: I'd like to see the Volt succeed as well.. [tpe] by kdhspyder Nov 24, 2007 (5:05 pm)
Replying to: tpe (Nov 23, 2007 5:07 pm) Right now any vehicle in the US can be purchased and 'kept' just about anywhere, on the street, in a home garage, in a parking lot, in a parking structure, in a field, on the front lawn, etc. All you have to do to get the present fleet of vehicles running is put fuel in the tank and a key in the ignition and turn it. This 'option' is open to everybody in the country right now no matter where you live or park or drive.   If however a PHEV has to be actually plugged in to get power then for those parking in spots where there is no ready access to a socket the PHEVs have limited utility. A vehicle for the fortunate suburbanites, the inner city dwellers be damned. This is a tricky market conundrum for the vehicle makers. Are these to be seen as a gift to the more fortunate while the less fortunate have to use older less fuel efficient technology? Replies to this message: gagrice (Nov 24, 2007 5:52 pm) tpe (Nov 26, 2007 10:11 am) kdhspyder (Nov 26, 2007 1:13 pm) tpe (Nov 26, 2007 2:38 pm) and 19 more...
#19 of 544 Re: I'd like to see the Volt succeed as well.. [kdhspyder] by gagrice Nov 24, 2007 (5:52 pm)
Replying to: kdhspyder (Nov 24, 2007 5:05 pm) This is a tricky market conundrum for the vehicle makers. Are these to be seen as a gift to the more fortunate while the less fortunate have to use older less fuel efficient technology?   The same thing can be said about the OVERPRICED hybrids. It sounds to me like you are making excuses for Toyota dropping the ball on the plug in Prius. Toyota touted the plug in hybrids in the EU. I saw so many posts here at Edmund's about the 100 MPG Prius it made me want to puke. Now that GM is pushing forward on a PHEV you are very negative about the practicality. Glad to see you have come over to my side that thinks ALL hybrids are only designed to take our money and give very little in return. EVs will someday help with the energy problems. The Volt may help the GM image as the Prius has done for Toyota. I would not hope for much more than giving GM a green glow.   'kept' just about anywhere, on the street, in a home garage, in a parking lot, in a parking structure, in a field, on the front lawn, etc.   Not in Santee, CA you cannot. any vehicle has to be on pavement or concrete. No parking on gravel pads or dirt is allowed by city ordnance. Vehicles are not supposed to be parked on the street for more than 24 hours. That is not very well enforced.

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