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#847 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [dmathews3]
Oct 19, 2011 (1:23 pm)
Then ABC News traveled to the Ford plant in Kansas City, Mo., and the Toyota plant in Georgetown, Ky., to investigate both cars and find out which one creates the most U.S. jobs. To do that, we had to find the answers to these three questions:
Is the car assembled here?
Toyota: Yes, it takes more than 6,000 American workers to build the Camrys we buy. Ford: Yes, it takes 2,250 workers to build the Escape.
How much of the car contains U.S. parts?
Toyota Camry: 80 percent. Ford Escape: 65 percent.
How many cars were sold in a given year?
Toyota Camry: The most pospular seller, 328,000 were sold last year. Ford Escape: Just under 200,000 were sold in 2010.
Using that formula, the answer might not be what you think.
The U.S. brand that creates the most American jobs? The Ford Escape, which creates 13 assembly line jobs for every 100 cars sold, based on 2010 sales figures and company supplied information on how many workers actually man the assembly lines.
That is good, but doesn't top the Kentucky-built Toyota, which creates almost 20 U.S.-based manufacturing jobs for every 100 cars sold.
In the end, the Stewarts chose a good ol' American Ford Explorer, with 85 percent of its parts made in America. Although it will not create as many jobs as either the Camry or the Escape because the scale of production is smaller, the Stewarts can still be proud to be supporting jobs in this country with their purchase."
As can we all.
#848 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [larsb]
Oct 19, 2011 (4:43 pm)
When the money helps another country its not American in my book.
#849 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [dmathews3]
Oct 19, 2011 (5:59 pm)
So you care about corporate profits more than workers wages. I won't get into a discussion about what that implies, but the argument about "where the profits go" is without merit. The major automakers, both foreign and domestic in origin, are publicly traded companies. Americans can buy stock in Toyota (NYSE: TM) just as easily as they can Ford. So those profits don't have to actually leave the country.
(Check your retirement fund investments; you may already own stock in multiple major automakers through them.)
#850 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [larsb]
Oct 20, 2011 (5:30 am)
And the Volt apparently has about 40% US content...
Then there are the battery cells which are sourced from LG Chem in Korea, the elactric motors which come from Mexico and global ICE that comes from Austria...
#851 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [anythngbutgm]
Oct 20, 2011 (5:53 am)
Another way to look at the Volt. We gave LG Chemical Korea $300 million to build a battery assembly plant in Holland MI. They have 150 workers to assemble the Lithium cells manufactured in Korea. Less than 4000 Volt cars have been delivered to customers. So there are two ways to look at the Volt. We spent $2 million per job or $75,000 per battery. Anyway you cut it the Volt will cost the tax payers a fortune. And they are falling apart in people's driveways. Government Motors.
#852 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [dmathews3]
Oct 20, 2011 (7:30 am)
When the money helps another country its not American in my book.
Interesting perspective. But then there is no such thing as a new American car, in your book. So if you wish to buy an American car, you are out of luck. Will you be walking from now on?
#853 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [gagrice]
Nov 11, 2011 (12:55 pm)
From what I just read about the Volt, there not just falling apart, there real good at catching fire to. One burned to the ground on the NHTSB parking lot, another one was being charged up at the owners house and caught on fire , causing $800,000 damge to the house. They said these will catch on fire if overcharged, under charged, or has been in a accident. The one at NHTSB sat 3 weeks before it burned. Another great car from Garbage Manufacturing.
#854 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [mikeystoy5]
Nov 11, 2011 (1:11 pm)
Allow some corrections:
1. It caught on fire at NTHSA, 3 weeks after a crash test.
WASHINGTON -- A Chevrolet Volt that caught fire three weeks after its lithium-ion battery was damaged in a government crash test has regulators taking a harder look at the safety of electric car batteries, federal officials said Friday.
But based on testing so far, regulators believe the batteries are safe and don't pose a greater fire risk than gasoline-powered engines, a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration official told The Associated Press. The official requested anonymity in order to speak freely.
The car that caught fire was tested May 12 by an agency contractor at a Wisconsin facility using a relatively new side-impact test intended to replicate crashing into a pole or a tree, the official said. Three weeks later, while the car was parked at the test facility, it caught fire. A NHTSA investigation concluded the crash test damaged the battery, which later led to the fire.
GM spokesman Greg Martin said the test did not follow procedures developed by GM engineers for handling the Volt after a crash. The engineers tested the Volt's battery pack for more than 300,000 hours to come up with the procedures, which include discharge and disposal of the battery pack, he said.
"Had those protocols been followed after this test, this incident would not have occurred," he said.
2. The "other" fire was a garage fire, in which the owner was an electric car tinkerer, and which the local fire marshall said was "not caused by the cars."
I see why the ultra right hates the Volt, because it signifies that the "Global Warming" people are BOSSING US AROUND !! (dumb)
But let's put proper blame where proper blame lies, and not blame the technology just because we disagree with Global Warming.
#855 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [larsb]
Nov 11, 2011 (5:56 pm)
OK, I said the wrong agency, no problem. Lets see now, the car was struck in the side and parked for 3 weeks. Now, were they made aware of all the procedures that those GM engineers said needed to be done, and are all the other automotive an body shops made aware of this, or do you have to take it to the dealer period. As far as the other fire goes, you are correct, it wasn't caused by the car, it was caused by the cars charger. So was the battery over charged to the state of causing it to overheat an catch on fire or what. I might not be an engineer, but I been aroud cars long enough to know. You, on the other hand might be possibly a GM engineer trying to defuse a situation, that as time goes on, maybe something to watch. I'm not one of those people you might think I am, and I'm all for Technology when it's done right and not just thrown out there and say we have a great car here. As far as Global Warming goes, most say it is what it is.
#856 of 1015 Re: Prius Plug-In [mikeystoy5]
Nov 12, 2011 (6:29 am)
Dude, tin foil is for baking, not headwear. No, the battery wasn't overcharged. If the battery was overcharged & overheated then the car would have properly been named as the source of the fire. It wasn't.
Here's a little info for you noting not only how the Volt is handled in a crash but some of the testing that's taken place and that GM is providing first-responder training: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html Excerpt: The battery pack has been subjected to a wide range of abuse tests, including overcharge, discharge, vibration, excess heat and cold, short circuit, humidity, fire, crush, water immersion, salt water immersion, and nail penetration.