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544 messages, Last post on Oct 28, 2009 at 1:11 PM
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Replying to: 1stpik (Jan 22, 2008 7:26 pm) |
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Replying to: rcf8000 (Jan 22, 2008 4:50 pm) the answer imo, is that GM spends more on promoting how green they are than they do on the technology. There's a great deal of pressure from the investment community to see if GM is looking out to the future because 5 years after the Prius hit the showroom floor, GM still has nothing worth buying in the land of hybrids. The Volt is a great looking car show piece. I'm guessing by 2110 Toyota will have something 5 years more advanced than GM in the hybrid world. You just cant catch up overnight by putting mock ups at the car show. |
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GM keeps talking about the hybrid car it plans to build ..... while honda and toyota just build them. Japanese car makers sell cars. U.S. car makers sell promises. .
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Replying to: 1stpik (Jan 28, 2008 4:56 am) What does that mean? It seems to me that the domestic auto manufacturers actually do sell cars. How would you go about selling a promise? A couple years ago Toyota was saying that the next generation of Prius would be out in 2008 with significantly better mileage and using Li-ion battery packs. That's not going to happen. Toyota is also publicly stating that they'll have a plug-in Prius available in 2010.
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Are you following me? Every post I make you're right there to disagree with it. Unfortunately, engaging in semantic hyperbole, and offering the popular tu quoque challenge to Toyota simply doesn't refute any assertion I made. Anyway, a car maker that promises it will build a hybrid SOME DAY, and a car maker that simply delays an update to a hybrid that it ALREADY makes, are two different things. To paraphrase you -- it seems to me that Japanese auto manufacturers actually do sell hybrids. How would you go about driving a Chevy Volt? .
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2010 keeps getting closer... Vote Of Confidence
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Replying to: 1stpik (Jan 28, 2008 7:32 pm) On the other hand GM's two-mode hybrid system does provide significant fuel savings. They're choosing to incorporate this into full sized vehicles first because that is their customer base and that is where the greatest fuel savings will be achieved. The way you'd go about driving a Volt is to wait until 2010. If you still can't drive one then it will be due to a delay in the battery pack. You've already stated that this type of delay isn't the same thing as not fullfilling a promise. All GM's press releases have stated that this production date is contingent on the battery pack being ready. In 2006 when Toyota was announcing what the third generation Prius would be capable of I don't remember reading these types of disclaimers. |
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Jan 29, 2008 4:38 am) When you're testing these battery packs for endurance that will take time. GM's next milestone to reach is April of this year when they have stated they will have a fully functioning prototype. |
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Replying to: tpe (Jan 28, 2008 4:45 pm) there are thousands of happy Prius owners driving the roads. GM's hybrid is just talk and no walk we're talking about a 4-5 year lead in the hybrid world by Toyota - that's pretty significant imo May GM will deliver us a hybrid hummer? 
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jan 29, 2008 9:10 pm) Which of GM's hybrids are you talking about? Saying that GM's "mild hybrid" doesn't match up to Toyota's "full hybrid" doesn't make much sense. It's comparable to stating a Ford Ranger can't tow as much as a Ford F-150. It wasn't designed to. Whether or not the minimal mileage benefit from this mild hybrid technology makes any sense is a subjective opinion. Even if it's only 2 more mpg that's better than nothing. So if the price to achieve this is cheap enough then the customers will choose this option. Now GM's two-mode hybrid system is another matter. It provides significant fuel savings. GM is the first to admit that they made tactical errors in discontinuing their EV program and letting Toyota take a big lead in hybrid technology. So anyone criticizing GM in this regard is simply echoing GM's own position. I believe they are aggressively trying to make up ground. It doesn't happen overnight.
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