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Re: Does GM even get to the Volt? [pf_flyer]
by michael2003
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Jan 27, 2009 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 24, 2008 10:26 am)
Limited appeal?
This could still be a significant number of customers.
While GM used information indicating that ~80% of people have a 40 mi. or less commute to work, does anyone have a more targeted criteria that might take into account how many folks might have access to a recharge station or how many might be be expected to have an income that would allow them to afford this vehicle.
I would speculate that a significant portion of the population live in apartments/condo's, without access to a plug, and without sufficient income to afford the vehicle. I think it's more likely that folks with sufficient funds and access to a plug (garage) probably have a longer commute, meaning that GM could increase it's target audience by having a greater electric only range battery as an option.
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Re: Does GM even get to the Volt? [michael2003]
by reddroverr
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Jan 28, 2009 (7:19 pm)
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Replying to: michael2003 (Jan 27, 2009 6:38 am)
It isn't the perfect car. Prices will have to come down. I think if it and other ev types start hitting the streets you will see a move towards more charging options. It isn't likely to be the car for the average apartment dweller. But, if thins pick up, I could see incentives via the govt and market incentives for adding a charging station to your public parking lot, or private motel or apartment off street parking.
Maybe the next generation does have options for larger batteries. The trade-offs in cost for this probably don't work at the moment. Most families have two or more cars. If the option costs less than say $7k...it will probably make financial sense as well as foreign oil or greenie sense..
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16769
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Price and Place of Manufacturing
by dmathews3
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Feb 14, 2009 (7:38 am)
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The price is a little high for some but I could have saved a lot of money in gas as neither the wife or I drive more than 20 miles one way most of the year. A few trips to see the kids and a vacation would be the only times 99% of the time. I had my heart and pocketbook set on the Volt but not if it isn't built in the U.S. Most Big 3 employees won't buy a non UAW made car and let me tell you we buy a lot of cars.
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A little high?
by pf_flyer HOST
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Feb 15, 2009 (7:21 am)
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$40K is more than a little high for a vehicle of limited range that, despite claims that it will suit the needs of a large portion of the population, simply isn't going to be a practical vehicle for most of us.
Anyone who has kids that do anything is not going for a Volt. Picking up from practices, running around to games and activities, there's no way I could use an electric vehicle with limited range. And I'm certainly not going to shell out $40K for a second car to use it as a grocery getter.
It may be fashionable to be gung-ho on electric vehicles, but enthusiasm alone doesn't make them practical.
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Re: A little high? [pf_flyer]
by dmathews3
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Feb 15, 2009 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Feb 15, 2009 7:21 am)
I was under the impression tha this car could go all the way across the country by using the gas engine to keep the batteries charged. If not what is the since of the gas engine? There would be no sense in even putting it in if it wasn't going to be used to keep the car going beyond the 40 miles.
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Re: A little high? [pf_flyer]
by corvette
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Feb 15, 2009 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Feb 15, 2009 7:21 am)
You know the Volt also has a gasoline engine that will allow it to run several hundred miles, right? After the battery is low, the gas engine (generator) kicks in to provide power for the electric motor.
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Re: A little high? [corvette]
by dmathews3
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Feb 15, 2009 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: corvette (Feb 15, 2009 8:09 am)
That was my impression too. Also whoever is spreading the word of the Volt being built in England is I think way wrong. Everything I can find says at the Detroit plant that builds Buicks and Caddys. The engines at first come from over seas until the new Flint engine plant is done plus the batteries are also now going to be made in Mich. So why would they make a bunch of the parts and I also bet stampings for the fenders etc. here in the USA and then send everything to England to be assembled. Don't make much sense to me.
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Re: A little high? [dmathews3]
by gfr1
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Feb 15, 2009 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Feb 15, 2009 7:26 am)
It appears that there's still much confusiion about the path that the Volt is planning to take. First, they said "over 600 miles", then, over "400 miles", and the latest I've seen is that total range could be up to "200 miles", until the battery & fuel are exhausted. Then, because there aren't really measuring standards yet, it appears, from other's experiences, that real world will get about half to two-thirds the electric only mileage. Then, what about A/C, cabin heat, hills, etc? Also, EPA normally requires the engine and converter to be kept up to temp. Finally, the latest proposal says that the engine will not be able to recharge the battery at all! About the only recharge will maybe be the brake regen. Since thay aren't interested in recharging the battery, they may well forgo the regen., too, so save costs. They want that battery to be charged from the grid and the ICE just is to get you back home. So, that means that the ICE powering the generator, powering the vehicle, will depend on the output of the ICE, and generator, and electric motors, to provide propulsion. So, on extended trips, it'll likely be slow going and not particularly efficient. Imagine getting back home from Los Angeles to Palmdale, up the "Grapevine", for instance! -- GR
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Re: A little high? [dmathews3]
by stephen987
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Feb 15, 2009 (9:03 pm)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Feb 15, 2009 12:03 pm)
Also whoever is spreading the word of the Volt being built in England is I think way wrong.
I think the plan is to build them in the US for American buyers, and in England for European buyers. Make sense now?
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Re: A little high? [stephen987]
by dmathews3
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Feb 16, 2009 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Feb 15, 2009 9:03 pm)
yes it does.
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