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#436 of 545 Re: Not at $40K it won't [eaton53] by irismg Dec 02, 2008 (9:52 pm)
Replying to: eaton53 (Oct 18, 2008 8:28 am) Nothing personal, but since you want to argue/dispute, in my opinion that's insane thinking. Even if Congress gives back 7500 dollars as a credit, that's still $32,500 and still too damn much to pay for a commuter car, never mind a Chevrolet! I'd like to know who these "people" you know so well who don't have an aversion to spending that kind of money on such a car, and whether there are enough of them to even count. Chevrolet has NEVER been a luxury car since the 40+ years I've been alive, but rather good, sensible transportation. Furthermore, in my view, the five or six early adopters who buy this thing won't keep GM alive. They're going to have to cut the price in half--at least--before they generate enough sales with it to make it worth their while to continue production of it. In these hard times relatively few people have money for experimentation!   Of course, if you see things differently, I'll respect that! Replies to this message: pf_flyer (Dec 03, 2008 4:39 am)
#437 of 545 Re: Not at $40K it won't [irismg] by pf_flyer HOST Dec 03, 2008 (4:39 am)
Replying to: irismg (Dec 02, 2008 9:52 pm) relatively few people have money for experimentation   That's the real hurdle isn't it? The Volt sure seems like an experiment right now. And an expensive one at that.
#438 of 545 News by pf_flyer HOST Dec 03, 2008 (8:47 am)
Production of the Volt going to the UK?   http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12/03/uk_govt_blesses_volt/ Replies to this message: reddroverr (Dec 03, 2008 9:16 am) pf_flyer (Dec 03, 2008 9:21 am)
#439 of 545 Re: News [pf_flyer] by reddroverr Dec 03, 2008 (9:16 am)
Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 03, 2008 8:47 am) unless that move is for euro demand only, it will go over like a lead balloon with the politicians and the american people. Replies to this message: pf_flyer (Dec 03, 2008 9:21 am)
#440 of 545 Re: News [reddroverr] by pf_flyer HOST Dec 03, 2008 (9:21 am)
Replying to: reddroverr (Dec 03, 2008 9:16 am) Even if it's just for Euro production it won't go over well. The Volt was going to be built here with American labor, or so the tale went. Sounds like the UK is sweetening the pot with tax incentives.
#441 of 545 Cruzing to Congress by pf_flyer HOST Dec 04, 2008 (5:15 am)
http://www.freep.com/article/20081203/BUSINESS01/81203081 WASHINGTON — General Motors Corp. will press a Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid prototype into service Thursday on Capitol Hill, where GM Chairman Rick Wagoner will use a prototype to emphasize the company’s technology.   GM spokesman Greg Martin said Wagoner will drive a prototype Volt wearing the sheet metal of the upcoming Chevrolet Cruze to the Senate committee hearing on the company’s request for $18 billion in emergency loans.   How much does this help the Volt? Does it not help that it will be a Volt in Cruze's clothing??
#442 of 545 Higher prices = less attractive? by pf_flyer HOST Dec 04, 2008 (6:21 am)
http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2008/12/november-hybrid-sales-plunge-as- -gas-prices-fall-credit-tightens.html Sales of hybrid cars and SUVs took a worse beating than the industry as a whole in November, plummeting 50 percent from a year earlier and off 24.8 percent from October   This is part of the reason I have trouble seeing the Volt as a savior for GM. I don't see throngs of people flocking to buy a $40,000 vehicle.   Now to look on the brighter side, the declaration that the recession started in Dec 2007 could be looked on as good news as the average length of a recession is about 14 months, putting us closer to turnaround times.   It doesn't take much to start the emotional pendulum swinging. If it starts being reported or projected that there IS a light at the end of the tunnel, the mindset of consumers will start to change. Will be interesting to see how specific GM's plans are as far as when they see a return to profitability.
#443 of 545 Does GM even get to the Volt? by pf_flyer HOST Dec 24, 2008 (10:26 am)
I know they're saying that it's full steam ahead on the Volt, but doesn't reality slap them in the face and say that the first thing GM needs to do is get the business under control before they start making a $40,000 car that frankly is going to have limited appeal to the general car buying public? Replies to this message: michael2003 (Jan 27, 2009 6:38 am) reddroverr (Jan 28, 2009 7:19 pm)
#444 of 545 Re: Does GM even get to the Volt? [pf_flyer] by michael2003 Jan 27, 2009 (6:38 am)
Replying to: pf_flyer (Dec 24, 2008 10:26 am) Limited appeal?   This could still be a significant number of customers.   While GM used information indicating that ~80% of people have a 40 mi. or less commute to work, does anyone have a more targeted criteria that might take into account how many folks might have access to a recharge station or how many might be be expected to have an income that would allow them to afford this vehicle.   I would speculate that a significant portion of the population live in apartments/condo's, without access to a plug, and without sufficient income to afford the vehicle. I think it's more likely that folks with sufficient funds and access to a plug (garage) probably have a longer commute, meaning that GM could increase it's target audience by having a greater electric only range battery as an option. Replies to this message: reddroverr (Jan 28, 2009 7:19 pm)
#445 of 545 Re: Does GM even get to the Volt? [michael2003] by reddroverr Jan 28, 2009 (7:19 pm)
Replying to: michael2003 (Jan 27, 2009 6:38 am) It isn't the perfect car. Prices will have to come down. I think if it and other ev types start hitting the streets you will see a move towards more charging options. It isn't likely to be the car for the average apartment dweller. But, if thins pick up, I could see incentives via the govt and market incentives for adding a charging station to your public parking lot, or private motel or apartment off street parking.   Maybe the next generation does have options for larger batteries. The trade-offs in cost for this probably don't work at the moment. Most families have two or more cars. If the option costs less than say $7k...it will probably make financial sense as well as foreign oil or greenie sense..    http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16769

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