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Re: I rest my case [eaton53] by tpe
Sep 26, 2008 (5:11 am)
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Replying to: eaton53 (Sep 26, 2008 3:01 am)

but I believe the largest producer is Australia
 
The two areas with the greatest Lithium reserves are in South America (either Chile or Bolivia) and China (the Tibet region). However up until recently Lithium really wasn't too valuable so there hasn't been a lot of exploration. So undoubtable other reserves will be discovered.
 
It wouldn't surprise me to see these batteries manufactured domestically. While costs are higher here than in China these battery packs will weigh several hundred pounds. So the expense of shipping them here won't be trivial. Also China doesn't have the greatest reputation right now for quality control. When you're talking about something that if manufactured improperly could potentially catch fire or explode that will be a major consideration. That's one reason that Toyota will be manufacturing all its battery packs in house. I don't know if these manufacturing plants will actually be in Japan but they will be Japanese owned and controlled.
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Re: I rest my case [tpe] by eaton53
Sep 26, 2008 (5:52 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Sep 26, 2008 5:11 am)

Got my info from here:
 
http://www.roskill.com/reports/lithium
 
Looks like the Aussies do have a lot of the stuff, along with the Chileans and others.
 
All preferable to buying Middle Eastern oil...
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A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range by peralta
Sep 26, 2008 (5:56 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Sep 26, 2008 4:57 am)

Just an assumption.
 
Would you be interested if say Infiniti would make an EV version Nissan Rogue with 140 miles range and only costs $42,000?
 
Put it in another way, how about a Lexus version of a RAV4 but EV with same 140 miles range for $42,000?
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [peralta] by tpe
Sep 26, 2008 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: peralta (Sep 26, 2008 5:56 am)

I'd be interested but that interest would be limited by the fact that I'd still need to own or rent another vehicle on occasion.
 
Let me ask you this. If you took this hypothetical Nissan Rogue EV with 140 mile range and added an ICE range extender to it would that make it a less appealing vehicle in your mind? If your answer is yes then basically you are saying that anyone making a trip over 140 miles needs to be using a strictly ICE powered vehicle.
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [peralta] by eaton53
Sep 26, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: peralta (Sep 26, 2008 5:56 am)

I don't think any vehicle that does not provide a means of remote refuelling stands much of a chance of widespread acceptance, especially if there are range extended EV's available.
 
People don't like to chance being stranded, especially when the solution is a tow truck rather than simply fetching a gas can.
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [peralta] by peralta
Sep 26, 2008 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: peralta (Sep 26, 2008 5:56 am)

Here's a somewhat comprehensive survey / study about EV , especifically RAVEV
 
http://www.eaaev.org/Info/RAV4-EV_User_Experiences.pdf
 
This guy got an EVRAV4 and then gave up his pick up truck and Mercedes to get a second EVRAV4 (used and more expensive purchase), his third car is a prius that seldom sees the road.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2006/09/24/MTGQ3L- B2SU1.DTL
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [peralta] by tpe
Sep 26, 2008 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: peralta (Sep 26, 2008 12:44 pm)

Regarding your second link.
 
Why does this person own a Prius, actually 2 Priuses? If his RAV4 EV had a range extender would he still have a need to own a Prius? Also he describes taking 6 hour breaks on long trips in his RAV4 so that the batteries can re-charge. If you think this is a practice that the typical motorist will embrace then you are more than a little out of touch. BTW, a 27 kWh depleted battery pack, like in the RAV4 EV, will not recharge in 6 hours off a typical 110/120 volt outlet.
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [tpe] by eaton53
Sep 26, 2008 (3:52 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Sep 26, 2008 3:03 pm)

Agreed... few would put up with those inconveniences.
Rich greenies are buying 'em up... well, that's what it is, a rich greenie's toy.
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [tpe] by peralta
Sep 26, 2008 (5:18 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Sep 26, 2008 3:03 pm)

I know you always find ways to contradict. What about the first link?
 
http://www.eaaev.org/Info/RAV4-EV_User_Experiences.pdf
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Re: A new $42,000 electric mini SUV with 140 miles range [peralta] by reddroverr
Sep 26, 2008 (9:23 pm)
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Replying to: peralta (Sep 26, 2008 5:18 pm)

Do you think the mindset of people who sought out and bought EV's back in the early 2000's is representative of the greater population?

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