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Will the Chevy Volt Succeed?

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Re: Wake up [tpe] by hoyahenry
Sep 22, 2008 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: tpe (Sep 19, 2008 3:22 pm)

Yes, that's one way to look at the opportunity cost - and frankly, we'll have gas powered vehicles until... they are banned, I would predict.
 
My point of view is that I will not spend large cash prizes using scarce $s on a vehicle that includes a combustion engine. period. I don't want to add to the recycle bin of oil-contaminated metal. If I need a new car before 2020, I'll buy a used one just to know that I did not create the demand for a new engine.
 
Extreme? Yes, I supposed so. It's a cold turkey approach. It's time to get it done and it's not getting any cheaper to do it.
 
"Houston, do you copy?" ya know?
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Re: Wake up [hoyahenry] by gagrice
Sep 22, 2008 (5:30 pm)
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Replying to: hoyahenry (Sep 22, 2008 4:13 pm)

If I need a new car before 2020
 
recycling a used car is environmentally more sound than buying new any day of the week. I am not sure that would include buying a used Hummer.
 
My prediction is the Volt or most of the Volt will be built in China. So it will not help US workers much. The battery, motor, electronics will all come from China. Sheet metal and assembly here to call it "Made in the USA". Content maybe 40%.
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Re: Who's laughing now? [dave8697] by coldcranker
Sep 22, 2008 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Sep 22, 2008 11:57 am)

"So the Prius outshines the Volt and the Malibu hybrid? "
 
Yes, the technical and market facts are what they are, regardless of what you want reality to be. Sorry.
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press request by kirstie_h HOST
Sep 23, 2008 (3:22 am)
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A reporter from a national newspaper would like to speak with consumers who are considering purchasing a hybrid vehicle. If you are in the market, please respond to ctalatiedmunds.com with your daytime contact information no later than Friday 9/26.
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Re: Wake up [hoyahenry] by tpe
Sep 23, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: hoyahenry (Sep 22, 2008 4:13 pm)

The fact is that EVs will have limited range compared to ICE powered vehicles. Maybe someday we'll have a network of fast charging stations making this limitation less of a factor but for now it is. So most people that would buy an EV will also own an ICE for longer trips. Is it really better for the environment to have 2 vehicles as opposed to 1? The presence of a range extender in an EV will allow this vehicle to be used far more often, resulting in more electric miles and fewer gasoline miles than had it been a pure EV. So I'd argue that a car like the Volt will do more to reduce fuel consumption than an EV with a 40 mile range.
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Re: Wake up [tpe] by larsb
Sep 23, 2008 (5:56 am)
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Replying to: tpe (Sep 23, 2008 5:14 am)

tpe says, "The fact is that EVs will have limited range compared to ICE powered vehicles."
 
Not the Volt.
 
It's an EV and will have a range of 640 miles, per GM. That's more than a lot of gasoline cars.
 
But I understand you were speaking in generalities and in that respect you are correct - most PURE EVs (no generator on board like the Volt) will definitely have a lower range than ICE vehicles.
 
But consider this possibility:
 
Consider that in the future people will do these things to cope with the high price and lower availability of gasoline:
 
1. Move closer to work.
2. Use an EV or PHEV as their commute vehicle.
3. Rent a gasoline-powered car or SUV ONLY when they need to take a trip.
 
That would solve a lot of the expected "long term problems" related to converting a whole fleet over to EVs or PHEVs.
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First Look Available by KarenS HOST
Sep 23, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Please go to this discussion to post your comments about the article.
 
Article Comments - 2011 Chevy Volt First Look
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Re: [2doorpost] by mikey38
Sep 23, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: 2doorpost (Sep 20, 2008 6:33 am)

"Thats what I dont understand- the gas miliage that I get on my 05 Chevy far outstrips a new one. What happened in three years time? "
 
 When you read many of the posts in the forums you'll see a common thread of....we need bigger cars, more horsepower, etc. Detroit builds what people ask for.
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Sep 23, 2008 (9:42 am)
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People are not looking at the new thread so here is a link
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Re: Wake up [larsb] by reddroverr
Sep 23, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Sep 23, 2008 5:56 am)

1. Move closer to work
 
I think people will/are trying to do that. But with two workers in a family, the frequency of job changes these days, limitatiions of moving while owning a home and the prices of in-city houses, I think it is limited. Other ideas are four day work weeks and more telecommuting.
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2. Use an EV or PHEV as their commute vehicle
 
.I am in the camp that thinks partial use vehicles will have a problem for some time. Listening to the nay sayers on EVs, we find that range limitations are the prime negative...well that and price. If you have a PHEV and/or whatever we call a Volt, it is pretty much an all purpose sedan. That said if you could make an BOEV that functions like a real car and has a range of 75+ miles you would probably find a decent amount of takers...assuming you can make it for a price that rivals or beats a cheap subcompact
 
3. Rent a gasoline-powered car or SUV ONLY when they need to take a trip.
 
Or just keep their current vehicle as a backup...but in the case of the Volt, you have a sedan for such purposes...one that will get great gas mileage on your trips and save the expense of renting.

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