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664 messages, Last post on Oct 12, 2007 at 3:33 PM
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Oct 12, 2007 10:13 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 12, 2007 11:21 am) |
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Replying to: backy (Oct 12, 2007 11:21 am) |
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 12, 2007 9:54 am) They don't. The second buyer gets the full benefit of the remaining 5-year, 60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Which is 2 years and 24,000 miles longer than the Accord's bumper-to-bumper warranty. Say someone sells their three-year old Sonata with 36,000 miles on it. The next owner gets a factory bumper-to-bumper warranty for two years/24,000 miles. If an Accord owner sells his car after 3 years/36,000 miles, all the next owner gets is 2 years and 24,000 miles of powertrain warranty. Question: who got the better warranty: the 2nd Sonata owner, or the 2nd Accord owner? Extended warranties are available on used Sonatas also. So the fact you can buy one on an Accord--or pay more for a used Accord that has an extended warranty automatically applied--is not a big deal.
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 12, 2007 10:11 am) The sled used in the IIHS side impact test is designed to mimic the height and weight of a small truck or SUV--one reason it's a tougher test than the NHTSA's test. To a normal person, ACE simply sounds like any other approach to doing better in crash tests. I suppose that may be true... but it was not said by anyone here, except you just now. I do think there is a correlation between what Honda has done with the Accord's structure with ACE and its ability to get good scores on the standardized crash tests. If you disagree, fine. But it's clear that Honda cares very much about getting good crash test scores, so I have no doubt they were thinking about them when they designed the 2008 Accord. And I'm glad they did.
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Replying to: benjaminh (Oct 12, 2007 10:16 am) |
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Replying to: backy (Oct 12, 2007 11:29 am) An Accord buyer sells his car after 4 years/50K miles and it goes for sale as a certified used car. The new owner gets 3-years/50K miles powertrain warranty (and 1-year/12K mile on everything else). How about Sonata? Well, 50K miles disqualifies it from being considered as certified, as it has exceeded the maximum allowance of 4-years/48K miles.  Why?
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Replying to: robertsmx (Oct 12, 2007 10:04 am)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 12, 2007 11:36 am) ACE is about minimizing the impact from size difference between crashing vehicles, as well as incorporating pedestrian protection. It takes a lot more to do that (and something that won’t be reflected in crash tests) than to design a car around a standard sled. Of course Honda would like to see good crash test results too, but that’s not why they came up with ACE. See my example on Civic above. Is there a difference in 5-star with ACE versus 5-stars without? Just to give you an idea, Michelin Challenge Design at NAIAS had 260 entries from 51 countries. The theme was focusing on safety not only for the occupants of vehicles, but everyone who shares the road. From a related article: “We asked participants to design vehicles, incorporating safety features not only for the vehicle occupants, but also for others who share the road. We challenged designers to consider how vehicles interact with vehicles of other sizes and types and to emphasize accident avoidance, occupant protection and pedestrian safety” And that is where ACE comes into play. And in fact, ACE was a winner (Civic’s ACE structure was showcased). You won’t find this as a star ratings on the window sticker. It is more about awareness than a selling point, at least at this time. But, seeing those stars (no pun intended) might not be telling you everything. For example, 2003-2007 Accord’s front side impact rating has 4-stars. While 2005-2007 Sonata has 5-stars. Does that make Sonata safer? Let us look more closely at the details for the front/side test (Accord/Sonata) Head Injury Criterion: 216/265 Thoracic Trauma Index: 62/55 Pelvis Deceleration: 65/75 Interestingly enough, Accord is safer on two of three counts, and relatively close in the third. But the stars that you see (again, no pun intended) doesn’t consider the pelvic and head injury. Welcome to the world of standardized tests, and counting stars. |
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Replying to: isellhondas (Oct 12, 2007 10:04 am) Give credit to where it's due. If one person buys a maglight which has a lifetime warranty and he buys a regular flashlight that doesn't have a warranty which one would make him feel more at ease? It's the one with a longer warranty. Regardless of the fact that one's superior to another, it's the perception of the people that Hyundai wanted to challenge. So they challenged it. They laid aside a budget for warranty repairs and they didn't even need to use all of it. They took the risk and perhaps that risk FORCED them to build higher quality cars. People still prefer to buy Honda's over Hyundai. So therefore Hyundai dealers are FORCED to lowering prices below MSRP and selling for way cheaper than Honda's. So who benefits from that? The customer or more specifically the Hyundai customer. Please be fair with your assessments about other car companies. I've owned a new Civic that's been nothing but problems before (and that i was FORCED to sell) so I'm familiar with both Hyundai and Honda products. By the time I needed repairs for the Civic, my warranty barely expired. Bad luck perhaps, but also a bad warranty. You are right, the best warranty is the one you'll never have to use. To bad I had to use it on the Honda but it wasn't available. By the way, I paid $4,000 more on the Honda than the Hyundai Elantra. After repair bills, I made about $3,000 on resale. Bought the Elantra and never had to look back. Still have 30,000 miles left on the warranty and hopefully never will have to use it, but if I do, atleast I have one to use. So give me all the dealership rhetoric you want, I'll take substance over style anyday. Hmm... If I had to do it again, which one would I choose? |
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