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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02
by flc2006
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Oct 02, 2007 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: lilaj (Sep 29, 2007 10:43 pm)
You cannot compare a 2006-current Sonata to the 1998-2002 Honda Accord, both of the current Sonata engines use timing chains, All sonatas regardless of trim level come with stability control, In my opinion Honda Copied Hyundai as in terms of safety, Honda did not have active head restraints until the 2006 sonata had them, that tells me that Honda is taking Hyundai seriously, even though updated 2008 Accord still uses a rubber timing belt in the V6, i rather have the Sonata V6 over the Accord V6 you will have to to spend a 1,000 more to to have it changed every 6-7 years or 90,000, the Sonata will go over three times those intervals without having the hassle of a rubber timing belt, Honda needs to get out of old school timing belt V6 engines, in my opinion any car with a timing belt is disposable.
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006]
by thegraduate
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Oct 02, 2007 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: flc2006 (Oct 02, 2007 1:01 pm)
The timing belt on my grandmother's Accord doesn't need changing until 105k miles. Maybe the V6 is different?
Also, where are you pulling $1,000 quotes for this change from?
Nobody should EVER pay more than $500 or $600 to have the timing belt AND water pump replaced. Heck, my dealer doesn't even charge $700!
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate]
by backy
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Oct 02, 2007 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 02, 2007 1:09 pm)
I think 105k is the recommended belt change interval for the Warm, Sunny Places like CA, whereas 60k is the typical change interval for the Cold, Dark Places like MN.
$1000 for a timing belt change is a rip-off, although I've heard some V6s are more expensive to service than I4s because it's harder to get access to the V6s.
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy]
by thegraduate
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Oct 02, 2007 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 02, 2007 3:07 pm)
I think 105k is the recommended belt change interval for the Warm, Sunny Places like CA, whereas 60k is the typical change interval for the Cold, Dark Places like MN.
In the Honda manual (my 1996 Accord LX 4-cylinder anyways), it says if you regularly drive in conditions under -20F or over 110F, to get the belt changed at 60k.
Personally, I don't know anywhere in the US that has those conditions regularly except maybe Mt. Washington, or Death Valley.
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy] [thegraduate]
by bhmr59
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Oct 02, 2007 (4:42 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 02, 2007 4:07 pm)
Good question, Grad. But the word "regularly" is so subjective.
My younger son live in Tempe, AZ. The temp is "regularly" over 110* for 4 months or so of the year. Does 4 months = "regularly?" It gets cold here in CT, sustained periods in the teens, thankfully not -20F. Maybe it's the rubber compounds, but it doesn't make that much difference to my body when it's that cold. 
Again, maybe the rubber compound, but on Honda's pre-'94 it was crucial to change the timing belt at 60K, otherwise you'd ruin the engine (at least in this climate).
My '05 Sonata calls for timing belt replacement at 60K and I'll stick with that in order to protect the car and the warranty. What does your newer Accord call for, or does it have the timing chain?
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy] [thegraduate] [bhmr59]
by thegraduate
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Oct 02, 2007 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Oct 02, 2007 4:42 pm)
If it were my car (my 1996 tells me go at 90k unless meeting the above mntioned conditions) I'd go every 90k unless I lived in a place like Phoenix, or International Falls, MN. It was in the 100s for several days this summer, with the average high for the month of August near 100 degrees. But it isn't "regularly" that hot. In the summer, the average high is around 92, with the lowest average low in the winter being around 30. Hence me keeping a 90k schedule. If it hit 110 or -20 three of four days out of the year, I'd still go at 90. Three or four MONTHS out of the year, I'd go at the earlier interval.
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy] [thegraduate] [bhmr59]
by elroy5
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Oct 02, 2007 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Oct 02, 2007 4:42 pm)
The 03-07 V6 3.0 liter Accord engine has a timing belt, and it has 105k miles for the timing belt change. I would venture to say that 90% of this country could go by that conservative figure. All the Accord timing belts I've heard about breaking were about twice the recommended interval when the belt snapped, and still the engine would have been repairable. I will change my own timing belt for probably under $300 for parts, but even if I had to pay someone else to change it for $700, it's a small price to pay for 100k miles of service.
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy] [thegraduate]
by backy
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Oct 02, 2007 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 02, 2007 4:07 pm)
It often gets under -20 F in Minnesota, especially outside the MSP metro area. I guess one way to look at it is, if the belt breaks at, say, 95k, what's the odds that it--and the engine--will be covered under the factory warranty? With the Accord, there's zero odds, unless the car is covered under an extended warranty. With the Sonata... well, it has a timing chain, so this is all kind of moot for the Sonata.
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy] [thegraduate] [bhmr59] [elroy5]
by bhmr59
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Oct 02, 2007 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Oct 02, 2007 5:38 pm)
Thanks Elroy.
It was a mechanic friend of mine, who retired at the end of '94 who told me that 60K miles was crucial. Otherwise the rods (is that the right term or item?) would be damaged, effectively making engine replacement about the same cost as repairing the damaged engine. But, that was 13 years ago???
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- #325 of 664
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Re: Hyundai vs. Honda [lilaj] you connot compare 98-02 [flc2006] [thegraduate] [backy] [thegraduate] [bhmr59] [elroy5] [bhmr59]
by thegraduate
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Oct 02, 2007 (5:51 pm)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Oct 02, 2007 5:49 pm)
Well, the same problems would occur if the belt snaps, but the belts are made to last longer now.
Happily, I have an I4 06 Accord and don't have to worry about that anymore on the new car. My 1996 will be due for its 2nd replacement coming up soon at 178k miles (I have 175k now; the belt was last changed at 88k).
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