Last post on Oct 12, 2007 at 4:33 PM
You are in the Hyundai Sonata
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Honda Accord, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#146 of 664 Re: More for Less [backy]
Sep 20, 2007 (7:35 pm)
And Hyundai could use the Accord as a model for everything else.
Well, Hyundai wouldn't want to use the Accord as a model for equipping its cars with important safety features like ESC (VSA) and active head restraints. If so, all Sonatas would just be getting those features now, instead of in 2005.
They also wouldn't want to use the Accord as a model for how to make a roomy mid-sized car. Actually, it looks like Honda followed Hyundai on that one.
Another thing Hyundai wouldn't want to follow Honda on is braking. The Sonata beat the previous-generation Accord there handily. Maybe Honda has used the Sonata as a model for the brakes on its 2008 Accord?
And I am sure glad Hyundai doesn't follow Honda on how it backs its cars!
Add to that, it's also good that Hyundai did not copy the Accord as a model for the Sonata in terms of safety rating, otherwise the Sonata will still be 4 star rated on side impact as is the Accord (i.e. i believe, even the 2008 model Accord is 4 star rated for side impact ). Good thing the Sonata's got 5 star for both front & side impact ratings
Sep 20, 2007 (8:06 pm)
I don't want to offend anyone, since I don't have a dog in this fight, but after the introduction of the 2008 Accord, Sonata just became...how do shall I put this...irrelevant.
#148 of 664 Re: 2008 Accord [mgata1213]
Sep 20, 2007 (8:19 pm)
Thanks for the news flash. Maybe you could tell the plant manager of the Sonata factory in Alabama to shutter the place, as no one will be buying the 15k or so cars they make every month.
#151 of 664 Re: take your pick! [thegraduate]
Sep 21, 2007 (5:27 am)
Yes, both the front and rear are like this. The series of pictures I originally pointed out as not the same had that thick, substantial looking door pull that may be on non-US versions but not mine...that is all I tried to point out.
#152 of 664 Re: More for Less [robertsmx]
Sep 21, 2007 (5:45 am)
I have "grade logic" in our 2006 Civic and I have mixed feelings about it since it apparently doesn't take much of a grade to activate it. It is downright annoying when it downshifts on a gentle "grade" at very low speeds ~ 35-40 mph. Sometimes, depending on conditions, I feel it is helpful but in others, as I have said it is more annoying than not and if I had control rather than grade logic I wouldn't bother downshifting. Under those conditions one is able to downshift...or not..using Shiftronic. Don't get me wrong I didn't use it much on either of our Santa Fe's but it can be useful and beyond control of gear selection it can start in other than low gear in snow etc..
#153 of 664 Re: 2008 Accord [mgata1213]
Sep 21, 2007 (5:58 am)
Yes at the price level of a new V-6 Accord with leather it no longer competes with the Sonata and in that sense the Sonata IS irrevelent. The Hyundai product that most closely matches it in price is now the Azera and as usual Hyundai provides more for the money. Oh, since the Civic now costs $21,345 (EX-L auto sedan) maybe that should be the Sonata's true competition. As you know one can buy a nice Sonata, larger quieter more powerful and more comfortable and with more features, for less.
#154 of 664 Re: 2008 Accord [mgata1213]
Sep 21, 2007 (7:37 am)
I think you overstate the impact of the new Accord. Interestingly, our local dealer has had 2008's on the lot for over a week, and only one has been sold. It appears that folks may still prefer the previous generation Accord. This is according to the General Manager who I've personally known since 1971. There's a lot of "decontenting" present in the new Accord - less tactile feel in the switch gear, no trunk covering on the high-line series anymore, less soft touch material in the cabin, yada, yada, yada. Honda also feels the pressure of price-points, and the terrible value of the dollar on the international market.
#155 of 664 Re: More for Less [robertsmx]
Sep 21, 2007 (8:58 am)
What is the difference in shifting to D3,D2,D1 or using the "manumatic" to go/stay in the lower speeds while decelerating?? I must be missing something here, unless you are just arguing for absolutely no reason at all. I'll bet if it were a manual you could drive all day in 1st gear too, if you wanted to do so. Personally, I think you are just looking for a fight, not to help anything at all. A lot of your comments are quite good, but this one eludes me. Of course that may just be me.