Last post on Oct 12, 2007 at 3:33 PM
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What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Honda Accord, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#655 of 664 Re: Sales History [targettuning]
Oct 12, 2007 (1:04 pm)
S600 was a limited production sports car. I wasn't even born back then so I can't argue on climate, driving conditions etc of the day, but I do have some numbers for you:
1970: 4K (apparently, it was launched sometime in 1970)
That car may have actually helped buyers consider Civic (CVCC) when it was offered as the first mainstream model in 1973. I'm actually surprised Honda sold 600 in 1971/72 because it was basically a mid-60s designed and had been replaced by 800 in the late 60s. Unless, a few were just brought into the USA. Technically, and the ways I see it, CVCC (later called Civic) really defined Honda's entry in the USA as an automotive brand.
And if Honda wasn't alone, why is it that only Honda had a runaway success? As you say, Subaru was a flop (why?), and Datsun was around (where is it now?).
#656 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [robertsmx]
Oct 12, 2007 (1:05 pm)
Actually, Hyundai has offered an enhanced Certified Pre-owned warranty program since May.
Here's the link announcing it...
Hyundai CPO Program
A few of the highlights:
· Powertrain 10 year/100,000 mile warranty
· 150-Point Inspection
· $50 deductible
· Vehicles up to five model years old with less than 60,000 miles are eligible
· Roadside assistance
· Rental car coverage (up to $35/day for up to 10 days)
· Towing coverage (up to $75 per occurrence)
· Travel breakdown coverage (up to $375 per occurrence) · Diagnostics
· Related damage for specific parts
· New car financing rates through Hyundai Motor Financing Company
Additional options available to the Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty include service contracts such as the Hyundai Certified Pre-Owned Wrap Contract which raises the comprehensive coverage on non-powertrain components, Hyundai Vehicle Care Maintenance Program and Hyundai Road Hazard Tire and Wheel option.
I think that stacks up pretty well against the Honda CPO program.
#657 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [tenpin288]
Oct 12, 2007 (1:09 pm)
Apparently, Hyundai revised it this year (I got the information from Edmunds article on various CPO). Still, Hyundai is looking for used car that is less than 5 years/60K miles old (Honda goes further, by a year to sell it certified).
#658 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [kingsalmon]
Oct 12, 2007 (1:31 pm)
You don't have to tell me about Mag Lights. I was one of the people who introduced them to the world.
But using Maglight as an example, I would much rather have a Maglight with a 90 day warranty than a Korean flashlight with a lifetime warranty. I know it would be VERY unlikly tha Maglight would ever give me trouble.
Maybe FORCED was a strong word but they HAD to do SOMETHING in an attempt to build a bit of confidence in what had been a pretty lackluster product. It was a smart (and necessary) marketing move.
I'm sorry you had such a troublesome Civic. This is normally NOT the case.
#659 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [isellhondas]
Oct 12, 2007 (1:48 pm)
There is not one car manufacturer on the face of the planet that doesn't have at least a few disgruntled customers. Having said that I base my buying decisions on what I know first or second hand about a car, it's manufacturer and the dealer.
Kingsaloms Civic experience would not deter me from purchasing a Civic or other Honda product. But if I knew of someone first hand who had these troubles, I would really give the purchase pause.
I agree with your above assessment, BTW.
#660 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [kdshapiro]
Oct 12, 2007 (2:18 pm)
good, as it shouldn't deter you. isn't kingsaloms civic that he refers to one from the early 60's?
#661 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [kingsalmon]
Oct 12, 2007 (2:21 pm)
Hyundai wasn't forced to do anything....
...People still prefer to buy Honda's over Hyundai. So therefore Hyundai dealers are FORCED to lowering prices below MSRP and selling for way cheaper than Honda's.
king of counteraction?
#662 of 664 The fact is iluvmysephia1
Oct 12, 2007 (2:27 pm)
and in my view
that this is precisely the point. Its YOURE view. Not everyone's criteria is the same for a vehicle and both the sonata and accord cater to 2 different types...come on its obvious isn't it? at least if you been reading all of the pages and pages of this thread...
though looks don't matter much to people all the time, the Sonata's body design wins over any Accord built from any model year by Honda. Just does. Plain fact. And no, Hyundai isn't copying the Accord. There are so many design differences in the two cars that it's really a silly argument.
lets anazlye this, if looks don't matter, why does it matter if TO YOU the sonatas body design wins over any accords ever? Isn't that statement just an OPINION anyway?
Hyundai themselves admitted they benchmarked the accord. Heck all you need is eyes to know it, its not a big deal, as kdshapiro mentioned that 'copying' isn't neccesarily a bad thing, but even hyundaiphiles will have to admit that hyundai DID get a little more than just 'inspiration' from the accords design.
To through in my own little bit of .02, NO hyundai ever looked as good as the Cb7 (91-93) accord.
Without mentioning a Kia Optima in this thread. Even once
that was once.
#663 of 664 Re: Quantum Leap [kdshapiro]
Oct 12, 2007 (2:41 pm)
If a person were to read the "problems" forums on every car on the market, they would throw their hands up in the air and buy nothing except maybe a bicycle.
Or they would rely on public transportation.
Oct 12, 2007 (3:33 pm)
We seem to be done with Accord vs Sonata so let's wrap this up. If any of you would like to continue the debate about the manufacturers, please look into the discussions on the Auto News board.