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Ford Edge, SUV
#120 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [mtnman1]
Mar 20, 2008 (9:50 am)
The Outlook/Enclave/Acadia are totally different vehicles than the Edge. We looked at them as well before getting our Edge. The second row legroom was far short compared to the Edge, but they did have the 3rd row. My knees hit the back of the front seat in the GM triplets but not in the Edge. My wife liked the Enclave best of the 3 GM models (We don't have any Saturn dealers within 100 miles), but pricing was high and there were no deals to be had. The Saturns are not selling as well in our state as the Acadia and especially the Enclave and the dealers have more of them in stock, so you may be able to get a better deal on one of them. We decided that we didn't need the 3rd row enough to justify the additional cost. Besides, 2nd row comfort was also more important than having the 3rd row and another concern was the overall size of the vehicle. If you need the extra row and larger size, the Outlook would be a great vehicle. We didn't, and liked the increased 2nd row comfort and smaller size of the Edge. I would speculate that the gas mileage on the Outlook is going to be worse than the Edge as well. We have friends who have bought the Acadia and have been very disappointed with the mileage of it, saying that it is no where near what the window sticker says it should be. Bottom line is go with what suits your needs best. The car magazines have consistently liked the Maxda CX-9 best for a large 3 row crossover, so you should probably go check those out as well. At this point, you might also want to wait for the 2009 Ford Flex 3 row crossover coming out this summer. It is great to have so many good choices.
#121 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [hardhawk]
Mar 20, 2008 (10:17 am)
Actually the second row seats are on a rail that adds a couple of inches which gives you about the same legroom as the Edge. I'm not knocking the Edge at all. The Saturn Outlooks fit and finish were just better than the Edge Limited. We looked at the CX-9 a couple of months ago, but there was not enough legroom. Saturn does not haggle on price, but sets their prices lower than GM and Buick for basically the same vehicles. I get a discount through my Employer which is similar to the same one that I get using the X-Plan for Ford. All I can say that after actually driving the Outlook and the Edge that in my opinion there was no comparison in ride, acceleration, and cabin noise. The Outlook was far superior. It is a large vehicle, so as far as MPG I can't say how that will be. I get 20 MPG on the Highway in my Mountaineer even though it was rated to be 18. I only get about 12 mpg around town though, so I think it has more to do with the way you drive and the conditions of the weather and how well you maintain your car. Also, as I'm sure that you are aware, I've found that you really don't know what your MPG will be until you've put about 5,000 miles on a new car. Mine has always dramatically improved over time.
#122 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [mtnman1]
Mar 20, 2008 (12:08 pm)
I think the Outlook is a great vehicle if it is what you need. Even with the 2nd row seats as far back as they would go, the 2nd row legroom was not as good for me in either the Acadia or Enclave as it is in the Edge. I am 6'4" with a 36" inseam so it may just be the way I am built that made such a noticeable difference between the vehicles on legroom and knee room. Unless I needed to tow our boat with it I would certainly get one of the GM triplets if I wanted a 3 row CUV. They are an excellent product and a big advance for GM. If you get the Saturn, I am certain that you will enjoy it. The Edge worked best for us and we are very happy with it. It is the first Ford product we have ever owned, as we have always ususally had GM with a few Chrysler models thrown into the mix.
#123 of 165 Re: Edge - Ride, Passing Power [thegraduate]
Mar 20, 2008 (3:09 pm)
I think Consumer Reports mentioned that the Veracruz had some problems. I would encourage you to at least mention that the Sante Fe is a different vehicle and maybe they can locate the CR Issue which is put out yearly on all vehicles new and used. Of course, CR is a bit biased towards Japanese cars (Toyota, Honda, etc.) which really makes me believe the Sante Fe must be pretty good when it's rated the #1 pick for 2008.
#124 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [hardhawk]
Mar 20, 2008 (3:15 pm)
My son is 6' 4" as well, but with a 34" inseam. And I thought his legs were long for his body. The problem we had with the Edge when we were getting serious about buying it was when my Son sat in the back and reclined his head was touching the liner of the roof where it dips down just before the hatch. I guess it's like you pretty much said that it's what you're happy with. Good luck with the Edge. They are along with the Fusion & Milan some of the best vehicles Ford has put out in a long time. I'm always rooting for the American Car Companies.
#125 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [mtnman1]
Mar 20, 2008 (6:14 pm)
like your son, i have a 34" inseam, althought i am not as tall. i looked at the edge, escape and fusion.
my impression after riding in an edge a couple of times (with vista roof), are that it is a super sized escape, although the drivetrain was more powerful/refined.
i thought the rear seat was low and could have lived with it but have a problem with the headroom. the rear seatback does recline.
i ended up buying an awd fusion and i do barely fit in the back seat, as far as headroom goes.
#126 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [mtnman1]
Mar 21, 2008 (8:11 am)
Sounds like the Outlook is a better "fit" for your family. Since I have more height in legs than torso my head does not hit the roof in the back seat of the Edge. That's why it is SO important for people who are looking at vehicles to really try them out, because you can discover a lot of issues you didn't notice upon the first look. I fly up to Chicago every year for the car show and spend an entire day there getting in and out of lots of vehicles. It is truly amazing what I can and cannot fit into. A Huyndai Azera fits great and I have to pry myself into the back seat of a 5 series BMW, an E-Class Mercedes, and any Audi sedan smaller than the 8. The good old Ford Taurus has one of the largest back seat areas of any car out there. I grew up with large sedans and recall with fondness the vast room in my parent's Imperial LeBarons and Cadillac Fleetwoods. Many of today's full size sedans are a joke space wise compared to those cars. Our family business still has my parent's 1989 Cadillac FWD Fleetwood and we use it for a spare car and to put short business trip miles on it. I am always amazed at how much room that car has in it yet still gets 26+ MPG on the road even with a V8. Of course, on the other hand is my 1974 Cadillac Eldorado convertible that sucks gas down like there is no tomorrow! Don't drive that one much, but it is sure fun when we do get it out. No headroom issues in it.
#127 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [mtnman1]
Mar 21, 2008 (8:51 pm)
I work for a company that qulaifies me for both the X-Plan and the GM Supplier price.
I looked long and hard at the following 3:
2) Mazda MX-9
I settled on the Edge and got my 08 AWD Limited a week ago.
I found that a comparably equiped GM or MX-9 to be about $3-4K higher than the Edge. Part of the reason for this is that GM is not offering any meaningful incentives. I got 2.9% for 48 months from Ford. (same offered on the Mazda)
Also, I decided I really didn't need the 3rd row seat so ruled out the MX-9
Finally, I ruled out the Acadia/Enclave/Outlook after reading the Edmunds forum on this site and discovering a scary number of engine and transmission issues with the GM crossovers.
I suggest you carefully review the forum on this site for the GM's before making any decision.
#128 of 165 We have customers telling us
Mar 22, 2008 (8:36 am)
lease prices on Acadias are over $200 higher then leases on Edges
#129 of 165 Re: X-plan buyers [saudi_prince]
Mar 25, 2008 (2:21 pm)
If you look, the posts concerning the Transmission issues are on the first year of the model. They had some kinks to iron out with the Transmission that was just a Software issue. Nothing serious. I know the Edge is priced lower, in fact I've been considering a lease for the first time. The Internet Salesman with Ford just called me yesterday morning and told me that he would lease me a Limited w/Roof, Sirius, Cargo Tray, and power liftgate 12,000 miles/year first months lease and some other thing for $443 per month. The Outlook is a lot more car and is like comparing apples to oranges. The Edge is a great vehicle. The Outlook I'm looking at has second row captains chairs, remote vehicle start, heated windshield washer fluid, Ultrasonic rear parking assist, power liftgate, 8 way power drivers seat with memory, auto dimming outside rearview mirror, power folding outside rearview mirrors, 4 way power passenger seat with power lumbar, Leather seats, heated 3 level front seats, Skylight sunroof, steering wheel mounted audio controls all in the XR trim which comes loaded with many standard features such as Auto matic climate control, etc. All this for $3000 down will get me a 12K miles per year lease at $461 per month. It is a bit more, but to me for the amount of car your getting and the superior ride is well worth it in my opinion. I know the Edge limited comes loaded with a lot of these same features. I don't want to turn this into a debate about which vehicle is better. Both vehicles are outstanding and show how the ingenuity of the American Car makers continues to close the gap between them and the Japanese. Both these cars are better than the others in their class as far as styling goes. So many of the Japanese vehicles put me to sleep such as the Pilot. The Highlander finally got a long over due re-styling. The 2007 and earlier were perfect to put an insomniac into a deep blissful sleep.