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Re: Leather seats.. [carnaught] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 21, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: carnaught (Oct 20, 2008 2:38 pm)

The "problem" with leather, which is a nice thing to behold and which CAN be made to last a long time with basic care and feeding, is this----it's an organic material after all (just ask a cow) and it is vulnerable to accident, especially spills, dye from clothing, sun damage, and of course kids and pets. I had a car with black leather and that was pretty easy (I don't live in a hot climate) but a white/ light beige leather requires you to be careful with it. And you have to "feed" it and treat it like the fine thing it is.
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BMW 3 series Leatherette vs Leather by jmaroun
Oct 21, 2008 (1:56 pm)
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Based upon 3 years with leather and now with leatherette, I personally find the ette superior in every way.
 
1.) Leatherette is Cheaper..and no that doesn't mean I can't afford it..It's just not worth the extra $1.5-$2k! to spend. Heck, my entire 8 piece Lazy Boy leather sectional couch cost that much.
2.) Leather can be sticky were the ette seems more resistant to this.
3.) Who likes the smell of Leather? I much prefer the nuetral (non existant) smell of leatherette.
4.) Leatherette is more durable with less or no required maintainance.
5.) Looks wise, the ette seems to have a sharper fit and finish and will look like new forever.
6.) No one has ever complimented my 330's leather seats..and no one yet has noticed that my 335i has leatherette.. in other words..they're practically identical in function and form.
 
Just my observations and opinions. I only wish someone could have pointed this out to me 3 years ago when I leased my 330i with ~$2k Premium package. (folding mirrors and compass aren't worth $2k either..and if you need lumbar support.. use a $3 pillow ).
 
Joseph
San Diego
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Re: Leather seats.. [Mr_Shiftright] by kdshapiro
Oct 21, 2008 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 21, 2008 9:06 am)

And you have to "feed" it and treat it like the fine thing it is.
 
True enough:
 
1. My expensive suits are treated much differently than my wash and wear clothing, why wouldn't leather be treated differently than vinyl.
2. Leather doesn't emit those toxins, which the 'ette emits.
3. There is a reason organic materials make better clothing than artificial materials. Sure polyester and rayon may not need starch, but they don't look as good or feel as good as the finest cotten or the finest wool.
 
So while it's easy to make a case that artificial is better for your needs, the reasons are usually negative not positive; e.g. a 10 year old Honda is a much better car than a 335i because I don't have to worry about it being stolen That's the type of reasoning where the 'ette wins over the leather..
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Re: Leather seats.. [kdshapiro] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 22, 2008 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Oct 21, 2008 2:23 pm)

Yeah but one cup of spilled coffee on certain leather types and colors and that's it, you're screwed.
 
It really depends I think on a) the level of care you are willing to give to leather interiors, b) your lifestyle, i.e., do you eat a lot in the car, have a dog, have kids, etc..
 
Given that you can get leather on the most humble of cars these days, I don't think prestige enters into it anymore. Unless you are a sensualist (which is great actually) I'm not sure 85% of the world even notices your leather interior.
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Re: Leather seats.. [Mr_Shiftright] by kdshapiro
Oct 23, 2008 (8:04 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 22, 2008 10:14 am)

Unless you are a sensualist (which is great actually) I'm not sure 85% of the world even notices your leather interior.
 
I have a Matrix style 'ette coat and long leather dresswear. They are not the same and not even close. Sure the 'ette takes more abuse, but the leather feels better, smells better and wears better.
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Re: Leather seats.. [kdshapiro] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 23, 2008 (8:07 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Oct 23, 2008 8:04 am)

I totally agree on feel and smell, but on "wear" or "use"---I think that really depends on circumstances of lifestyle. For instance, wearing leather while riding on a motorcycle? Good. Leather on a bicycle? Bad. Leather coat on a fall evening? Good. Leather coat on a cold rainy night? Bad.
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Re: Leather seats.. [Mr_Shiftright] by kdshapiro
Oct 23, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Oct 23, 2008 8:07 am)

You hit the nail on the head: you can change your coat but you can't change your seats. In an entry level vehicle, I would choose leather over 'ette given the choice of materials by the manufacturer.
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Re: Leather seats.. [kdshapiro] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 23, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Oct 23, 2008 9:53 am)

Ain't that the truth. We do see people here occasionally that ordered cloth and now want leather, and sometimes those who ordered leather but don't like it. It's probably a decision that requires more thought than most people give it.
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Cow vs. synthetic seats by xeye
Oct 23, 2008 (2:09 pm)
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Although they weren't BMWs ('08 328xi & '07 335xi now in the driveway), I had '95 & '99 Mazda MX5 ragtops with leather seats. In a restaurant parking lot in Chino Hills, CA, some inconsiderate person flicked a burning cigarette butt without regard to it's landing pad. As it turned out, the landing pad was my driver seat. When I returned to my car after dinner, I found the burnt out butt and a 1" scorch mark in the leather. Needless to say, I was not happy.
 
The good news is that I had kept the leather well-conditioned against the California sun, and within a couple of weeks, the natural action of driving had rubbed out the mark with no trace of any damage.
 
I really doubt that "ette" would have survived so well. It's all in how you take care of your ride.
 
In my college years in Montreal summers, I drove a black Dodge Omni with a red plastic steering wheel and red vinyl seats. I can't even tell you how hot those seats and wheel got sitting in the sun. Do you know what burnt thigh leg hair is like?!
 
"Ette"? No thanks.
 
And I have to believe that there is nothing so nice as the heated leather seats on a cold morning. It was 29 degrees F here this morning, and it was Nirvana before I'd even backed out of my driveway!
 
xeye
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Re: Cow vs. synthetic seats [xeye] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Oct 23, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: xeye (Oct 23, 2008 2:09 pm)

yeah but heated seats and leather don't like each other. This is why your conditioning treatments are even more necessary now. (leather dries out faster, and if untreated, one day you or someone plops down on that hard dry leather and....you know the rest).

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