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#219 of 276 Todays platform vs last platform by richardga73 Feb 10, 2009 (7:43 am)
Guys, I read an interesting article about the 2009 in particular and the E90 platform in general in "Bimmer" that said the E90 is "strangely anesthetized and almost souless" compared to the last platform which had "delicately nuanced feedback and crisp turn-in". I am thinking about buying the 2009 E90 335i or I might go back to the 2005 to get those qualities he was talking about. Any comments?
#220 of 276 by sekitori Feb 10, 2009 (3:49 pm)
Guys, I read an interesting article about the 2009 in particular and the E90 platform in general in "Bimmer" that said the E90 is "strangely anesthetized and almost soulless" compared to the last platform which had "delicately nuanced feedback and crisp turn-in".   Phrases such as "strangely anesthetized", "almost soulless", "delicately nuanced feedback", and "crisp turn-in" may mean something to the person who wrote the article, but to me they make no sense at all.   I would never consider buying a car based on the opinion of some so-called "expert" who uses phrases that only he or she seems to understand.   I like my 2009 328i sedan. It doesn't feel anesthetized or soulless and I think it has excellent feedback. I don't know about its "turn-in", though. I still have no idea what that means.   If you like the 2009 E90 335i, buy it. It's that simple. Replies to this message: richardga73 (Feb 10, 2009 6:07 pm) fedlawman (Feb 11, 2009 7:19 am)
#221 of 276 Re: [sekitori] by richardga73 Feb 10, 2009 (6:07 pm)
Replying to: sekitori (Feb 10, 2009 3:49 pm) Well sekitori, I'll splain it to you. It's a known fact that the 2006 E90 suspension was softened for the sole reason of the stiff-walled RFtires. This is the opposite of what most manufacturers do. They usually do the suspension right THEN pick the tires. If you look at the 3 forum on tires there are over 2600 bitching posts on those tires, especially with the sport suspension.Most people feel that BMW did this as a cost cutting measure and has been met with much disapproval.Therefore, for 2009, they softened the walls of the RFtires to quell, I guess, the bitching. Thus:"strangely anesthetized "(which means numb, it is a medical term) and "almost souless" which means without soul. Turn in is how quick the car turns with steering input. They were comparing the 2009 to the 2005 and the writer was dismayed with the results.Bimmer magazine is a mag only about BMW and I do consider them experts.    Now, getting back to the subject. Anyone who has bought or leased a car knows that you learn almost nothing on a test drive with a salesman bending your ear the whole time and plenty of times I have bought it and its not "that simple" especially if you have buyers remorse afterward. So the forums are one of the best places to do research on a car. I know I like the 3, its just what flavor of 3 should I get. I had a 2003 and loved it-not so sure about the 2009. Bimmer thought the new 328 was souless and the 335 was just faster and still souless comparatively. Anyone out there have an opinion who has had both old and new platforms? Replies to this message: fedlawman (Feb 11, 2009 7:19 am)
#222 of 276 Re: [richardga73] by fedlawman Feb 11, 2009 (7:19 am)
Replying to: richardga73 (Feb 10, 2009 6:07 pm) "Anyone who has bought or leased a car knows that you learn almost nothing on a test drive."   I disagree. I've bought plenty of new cars (and test driven many, many more). If the salesperson comes with me (which they often don't) and they want to talk, I ask them to please not speak.   I turn off stability control and pay attention to the dynamics. I am sure to test the steering feel, brakes, turn-in, understeer, oversteer, body roll, body structure, quietness, seat comfort, air conditioning, stereo sound, etc.   Anyone who pays attention while test-driving a car can do all of this in less than 30 minutes (15 minutes driving and 15 minutes in the lot). Heck, I've spent 4 hours in an electronics store just to purchase a set of $500 stereo speakers. Surely a $35,000 car is worth an investment of time and research? If you're serious about purchasing, don't be in a hurry to get out of there.   I would tell the salesperson that you'd like to drive the car to your house to show it to the family, make sure it fits in the garage, test fit baby seats, whatever. Heck, I've had salespeople offer to let me keep a car overnight (and I've done it).   When you're spending $35,000+ on a car, you are in control, not the salesman. If they don't bend over backwards to please you, take your time and money elsewhere.

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