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Re: sales tax 0 in Dec? [xman7]
by gatorbrick
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Dec 20, 2008 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: xman7 (Dec 11, 2008 1:35 pm)
I just got an offer for a 335i sedan, sports package, nav system, for 50,775. They dropped price by $2000 over the phone. The price is now $48,775. Do you think they will go even lower?
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- #184 of 276
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Re: [roadburner]
by sammybmw
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Dec 20, 2008 (8:38 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Dec 20, 2008 9:43 am)
I think some are missing part of the point I was trying to make, The Logic 7 had become optional on the '09 335, therefore those who want it, pay an extra $875 MSRP!. The Base Price increase for a 335i Sedan is $800. And for those that want the sport package but don't want to pay extra for the now included shadowline trime will pay an additional $350. That totals $2025 increase in MSRP for the 2009. (Invoice around 91% of MSRP) I also got the free automatic - MSRP - $1260. I paid invoice for the '08 and sales tax is 8% so I saved $3,353.40 on the '08 versus a similarly equipped 2009 given that I could get the '09 at invoice. For me, the 2009's upgrades - the styling changes weren't worth the extra $$$$. Of course, it is true that you can't get exactly the same car off the dealer lot as you would order. I ended up giving up the HD radio at $350 for a Sirius Satellite Radio at $595 so I paid extra $225 invoice. I may have forgone the auto trans if I ordered by since it was free, I took it. Not many manuals on dealer lots.
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- #185 of 276
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Re: sales tax 0 in Dec? [gatorbrick]
by jmaroun
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Dec 21, 2008 (12:07 am)
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Replying to: gatorbrick (Dec 20, 2008 11:37 am)
$48.7k???? Unless you mean including tax/registration ..the price is $4k too much
09 335i Sedan with Sports Package, and Navigation: $43.8k on carsdirect.com
-> http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=92128&acode=USB90BMC312A0&restor- - - - - - - - - - - - e=false
09 335xi " " yadayada..: $44840 -> http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=92128&acode=USB90BMC313A0&restor- - - - - - - - - - - - e=false
And these numbers are with no negotiation... meaning you can definately get them down by at least $500 to $1000.
Even if they throw in Premium Package.. the price they've quoted you is more than $1.6k too much.
Good Luck,
Joseph
San Diego
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- #186 of 276
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Re: [sammybmw]
by fedlawman
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Dec 21, 2008 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: sammybmw (Dec 20, 2008 8:38 pm)
All manufacturers increase the price of options/packages along with base prices, so again, BMW is no different than any of the others.
Yes, for Logic 7 fans, it's a bummer that BMW made it optional for 2009. Other than that though, everything else is standard industry practice. As for the "free automatic," I'm guessing that was a dealer move to get rid of a car that's been sitting on the lot for many moons - not a BMW promotion.
From the info you provided, here's what I see. The car you would have ordered was a 2009 335i with MT, SP, Logic 7, and HD Radio. After destination charge, the 2009 has an invoice price of $40,780. The car you bought is a 2008 335i with Auto, SP, and Sirius. after destination, it had an invoice price of $39,160.
So yeah, you spent $1,600 less by buying the 2008 off the lot (again, the "free" auto tranny doesn't count). You got a great car and saved some money, so that's good. The alternative would have been to spend the additional $1,600 and get the EXACT car you wanted and get a car that's one year newer (and has not accrued one year of depreciation).
Again, every car company raises prices and rearranges options/packages with the new model year. For you it made sense to buy last years model, for others - maybe, maybe not.
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- #187 of 276
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Re: [fedlawman]
by sammybmw
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Dec 21, 2008 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 21, 2008 11:00 am)
The free auto tranny is a BMW NA offering only on the 2008's. It's on their website "* Be sure to ask your BMW center about adding an automatic transmission at no cost." Check it out link title. Unfortunately, some folks missed it or are missing it. So the final cost was actually below invoice. The difference between the 2008 335I and 2009 for the same equipment was as I posted $3,353.40 including the 8% sales tax. I'm very certain of my numbers. I didn't detail the other options - ZPP (Premium Package), 494 - Heated Seats, 2XA - Paddle Shifters, 6FL - iPod and USB Adapter along with the aforementioned ZSP (Sport Package), Steptronic, and Sirius Satellite Radio. I already mentioned that the car was very close to the one I would have ordered except Sirius vs. HD. In my case, I keep the cars for a long time, I have a 94 325 so the one year depreciation was not an important factor for me, though it would be for someone that trades their cars in after several years. People should make choices based on the facts and their personal preferences and situation. I made my choice. And there are a few 2008 335i's left. Cars are not flying off the dealer lots due to the recession and in the North, folks have been sold on the necessity of all wheel drive. It's funny the other night, a driver of poor skill even got an awd stuck in the road without a lot of snow on it. And when you are driving down the road, those awd and 4wd vehicles are in the ditch along with the 2wd cars.
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- #188 of 276
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Re: [sammybmw]
by fedlawman
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Dec 21, 2008 (9:41 pm)
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Replying to: sammybmw (Dec 21, 2008 6:45 pm)
Hmmm, I didn't know the free auto transmission was a BMW promotion - way to go. Given your preferences, I agree you did well choosing the 2008 model. Congrats on your new car.
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- #189 of 276
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Re: [sammybmw]
by roadburner
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Dec 22, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: sammybmw (Dec 21, 2008 6:45 pm)
Cars are not flying off the dealer lots due to the recession and in the North, folks have been sold on the necessity of all wheel drive.
Yes, the driving public has certainly been dumbed-down; I've even heard some poor imbeciles claim that they need AWD because they need to be able to drive in the rain.
Pathetic.
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- #190 of 276
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Re: [roadburner]
by fedlawman
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Dec 22, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: roadburner (Dec 22, 2008 12:32 pm)
We've had snow and ice on the roads here in Seattle for a week now and it's only reaffirmed my decision to NOT purchase an AWD car.
Once the roads got slick, my wife and I did just fine with our FWD Volvo and all-season tires by simply slowing down, being smooth, and not trying to climb hills that are too steep.
Now that we have inches and inches of snow on the streets (only major roads get plowed up here), the Volvo is completely trapped in the driveway and we're staying home (as we should). I feel sorry for all the people that bought a 330xi or G35X thinking they'd be able to drive year-round - only a vehicle with traction tires and ground clearance can go out right now.
The M is in the garage and still shiny clean, hooked up to a battery tender...
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- #191 of 276
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Re: [fedlawman]
by shipo
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Dec 22, 2008 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 22, 2008 12:48 pm)
He-he. We got 29" of snow this weekend and my all-season (Michelin Pilot Sport A/S) shod FWD commuter hack (a new Mazda3) did just fine this morning on the way to work. That said, here in New Hamster even small residential cul-de-sacs (like our street) get cleared during (sometimes more than once) and again immediately after the snow event. The only issue I had to deal with was the 55"+ high berm left at the end of my driveway by the snow plow. :-/
Best regards,
Shipo
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- #192 of 276
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Re: [shipo]
by fedlawman
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Dec 22, 2008 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Dec 22, 2008 1:16 pm)
I remember those days growing up in Montreal. Good money clearing driveways as a teenager though.
Seattle comes to a grinding halt as soon as snow or ice touches the ground. Fortunately, no power outages this year - and a white Christmas for sure  (very rare for this area).
Happy Holidays!
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