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BMW 335i vs Infiniti G37

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#79 of 361 Re: 335i vs G37 [viral] by habitat1

Oct 18, 2007 (6:32 pm)

Replying to: viral (Oct 17, 2007 7:50 am)
BTW, I looked up 2004 resale values, and the TL was below both the 3 series and G35 Sedan
 
Top Resale Values
 
I see the TL there. Not Infiniti. What's your source? Or maybe you need your eyes checked?
 
As for Edmunds being the definitive source. No disrespect to our fine hosts here, but when I bought a 2002 Honda S2000 in November 2001, the Edmunds "True Market Value" was $36,800 for my zip code, $4,000 over the MSRP. I purchased for $32k. In September, 2005, the Edmunds TMV on a 911 S Cabriolet was exactly MSRP. I got a $10k discount. I'd like to think I'm just so damn good of a negotiator. But the reality is that Edmunds does their best, but local market conditions can vary greatly. In my area, Infiniti's are very tough to resell or trade and expect to get KBB prices. Not so with BMW or Acura. I always pay cash for my cars, so the real world resale vaue is something I consider carefully. And that requires a little more than blind reliance on anybody's "top ten" list, the one above included.

#80 of 361 Re: 335i vs G37 [habitat1] by viral

Oct 25, 2007 (12:02 pm)

Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 18, 2007 6:32 pm)
BTW, I looked up 2004 resale values, and the TL was below both the 3 series and G35 Sedan
  
I see the TL there. Not Infiniti. What's your source? Or maybe you need your eyes checked?
 
The link you provided was for Model Year 2006 on ALG, not 2004 (your model) like I listed. Maybe YOU should have your eyes checked. For 2004 models, here's one of several links:
 
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/102467/article.html
(3 series: 49%, G35: 47%, TL: 46%) and
2005:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/23/pf/autos/kbb_resale_value/index.htm
2006:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/03/Autos/tipsandadvice/kbb_resale_value_awards/inde- - x.htm
http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/2005/10/07/best-auto-resale-value/
 
And since you brought up ALG, let's look at the 2008 predicted resale values just released from them, including these two cars (and much more relevant to this thread than your 4 year old TL's now proven mediocre resale value)
 
From http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NYW10224102007-1.htm
 
Infiniti USA won the Luxury Brand Residual Value Award for the first time -- also the first time any company other than BMW or Lexus has won the overall Luxury award. In addition, Infiniti won the Near Luxury segment award for the G35/G37.
 
So for the third time, I've shown the G to be equal or better than the 3 series in resale value, over several model years, from Kelly Blue Book, Edmunds AND Automotive Lease Guide. But again you suggest that we ignore YEARS of resale results from the top automotive sources and take your word for it because you know someone who had a hard time selling their individual car for the value Edmunds claimed? You're losing credibility very quickly.

#81 of 361 Re: 335i vs G37 [viral] by kdshapiro

Oct 25, 2007 (1:41 pm)

Replying to: viral (Oct 25, 2007 12:02 pm)
Guess it depends what you want to measure. Funny how they predict the G37 but not the 335.
 
BEST EXTERIOR STYLING:
Non-Luxury Sedan/Coupe/Hatchback Segment: Honda
Luxury Sedan/Coupe/Hatchback Segment: BMW
Non-Luxury SUV Segment: Ford
Luxury SUV Segment: Mercedes-Benz
Truck Segment: Chevrolet
Minivan Segment: Honda
Sports Car/Convertible Segment: Porsche
 
BEST Interior Layout/Driving Comfort:
Non-Luxury Sedan/Coupe/Hatchback Segment: Toyota
Luxury Sedan/Coupe/Hatchback Segment: Lexus
Non-Luxury SUV Segment: Toyota
Luxury SUV Segment: Lexus
Truck Segment: Chevrolet
Minivan Segment: Toyota
Sports Car/Convertible Segment: Lexus
 
Overall findings
Best Overall Exterior Styling: Porsche
Best Overall Interior Layout/Driving Comfort: Lexus
Best Overall Prestige Brand /Luxury/Sophistication: Mercedes-Benz

#82 of 361 Re: 335i vs G37 [viral] by habitat1

Oct 25, 2007 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: viral (Oct 25, 2007 12:02 pm)
your 4 year old TL's now proven mediocre resale value....You're losing credibility very quickly.
 
With a statement like that, I'm losing credibility?
 
Let's Just see what you've "proven". From the source that you choose to quote, the G35 is 47% and the TL is 46%. So that whopping 1% makes the TL "mediocre" and the G35 what? "Doubly mediocre" compared to the 49% 3 series? "Five times as mediocre" as my previous Honda S2000 at 52%? Or better yet "10 times - a whole order of magnitude - as mediocre" as my current 911 which at 57% just happens to be the top resale car on the entire list.
 
There are many "top ten" lists that you conveniently disregard in favor of Edmunds (fine hosts that they are). I'm sure not because the Infiniti isn't even on those lists, correct?
 
Whatever credibility you think I'm losing quickly, you better hope to find, because you've lost it completely.

#83 of 361 Re: 335i vs G37 [habitat1] by viral

Oct 26, 2007 (7:47 am)

Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 25, 2007 3:48 pm)
Here's your quote:
 
On the quantifiable factual basis of your claims, it certainly appears that, in the Washington DC area, the resale values of 3-4-5 year old 3 series are considerably higher than the G35, in spite of what the Edmunds and KBB figures suggest. That's from friends and associates who have been on the buying and selling side of both. I am pleased to report that my 2004 TL 6-speed appears to have both of them beat in resale value, in percentage terms, but the 3 is close and the G is not.
 
These aren't "my" claims. I showed you a trusted source proving this statement to be incorrect, using 'percentage terms' to which you spoke. There was no "cherry picking" of articles. Choose any resale list from any trusted source for 2004 model years. Feel free to show US proof of your claims of the TL on top, the 3 series very close and the G lagging way behind and I'll gladly recant my statement. (btw, "friends and associates" isn't proof)
 
Until then, I can say I haven't made any false claims or statements here which would call my credibility into question. You can't say the same without some proof.

#84 of 361 Okay guys by pat

Oct 26, 2007 (8:48 am)

Let's debate the facts and leave the assessment of credibility to individual readers in their own minds.

#85 of 361 Re: Okay guys [pat] by chirp

Oct 26, 2007 (12:19 pm)

Replying to: pat (Oct 26, 2007 8:48 am)
I've had 4 Acuras including a TL. Nice cars, but cannot compare to an Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes or Porsche. They were reliable as hell, but had no passion, so I have moved on. I bought the Acuras because I needed daily drivers that were sensible. I've lost my sensibilities now and only buy cars that I am passionate about. Oh yeah, this G37 rocks!!!!!!

#86 of 361 The proof keeps rolling in by viral

Dec 03, 2007 (9:47 am)

Year after year, the G keeps one-upping the 3 series in resale value and it just happened again. Kelly Blue Book just released its 10 best resale value cars for M.Y. 2008.
 
KBB Top resale value for 2008

Corvette tops list of 10 best resale value cars
 
Here's the list:
 
1. Chevy Corvette
2. Honda Civic Sedan
3. Infiniti G37 Coupe
4. Mini Cooper
5. Scion tC
6. Scion xB
7. Toyota Corolla
8. Volkswagen Eos
9. Volkswagen Jetta
10. Volkwagen Rabbit
 
None of the 3 series made the top ten. But I'm guessing someone's buddy's uncle's neighbor will have proof KBB is wrong yet again. LOL!
 
I also just noticed the "Learn MOre" box to the right show Owner Reviews here at Edmunds. Even Bimmer owners don't rate their cars as high as G owners.
 
08 BMW 3 series - 8.8
08 Infiniti G37 - 9.4

#87 of 361 Re: The proof keeps rolling in [viral] by kdshapiro

Dec 03, 2007 (9:52 am)

Replying to: viral (Dec 03, 2007 9:47 am)
So now your using KBB as proof the G35 is a better entry level sports sedan than the 3 series. Wow. This topic really has degenerated. :surprise So let me summarize, other than the fact the 335 is a better entry level sports sedan than the G35, the G35 has better "value" and resale, but that makes it a better car.

#88 of 361 Re: The proof keeps rolling in [viral] by redsoxgirl

Dec 03, 2007 (11:54 am)

Replying to: viral (Dec 03, 2007 9:47 am)
Personally, I'd put more reliance on the actual residual values being used by leasing companies as a estimate of resale value down the road. They are competing for your business, and are literally putting billions of dollars at stake on validity of their estimates. Kelly is primarily an advertising company with essentially nothing to lose if they "guess" wrong. They are a decent data collector after the fact, but when they project out into the future, they have had some notorious misses. Like projecting that the old Audi 5000 my father owned would be a "best buy". He got slaughtered on resale.
 
According to the lease residual tables listed under cars.com: residual values
 
2008 Model 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 Year residuals (as % of initial price):
 
G35 Sedan: 63 - 53 - 43 - 37
335i Sedan: 63 - 53 - 42 - 35
 
And, for the fun of it:
 
911 Coupe: 70 - 57 - 48 - 40
CTS Sedan: 57 - 48 - 40 - 33
335ic Conv.: 68 - 57 - 47 - 37
TL Sedan: 64 - 54 - 44 - 37
 
I think what this shows is that essentially, the 335i and G35 (and TL) are nearly identical in residual/resale values. If anything the TL is slightly ahead of both. But a single % or two either way is insignificant.
 
As for the list not including some obvious resale leaders, like the 911 Coupe which has been on the top of resale/residual values for a couple of decades, I can only assume Porsche forgot to send Kelly an advertising check.
 
If you are trying to decide between the G35 and 335i based upon resale, you are splitting hairs with a very dull knife. There is a world of difference between how these cars drive and feel in my opinion, but hardly any on resale.

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