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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Sedan
#345 of 361 Re: 2010 G37xS [gunshotwound]
Apr 02, 2010 (8:06 am)
Before settling on the 2009 G37S (with the 6MT) back in the fall, I also looked at the BMWs and a Subie WRX (not the STi).
My wife thought the Subie was a bit of a boy racer for someone my age. That, plus the fact the one I test drove started to develop some engine noises which really didn't inspire confidence. Also, the interior was a bit spartan compared to the other vehicles I was considering.
The 328 and 335 BMW's I looked at were nice cars and drove and handles well. But I was 1) put off by the RFTs on the BMW and 2) the HPF issues I had been reading about on the 335's. They were more expensive than the G37, the '335 by quite a bit. Also, I did not want to use the nearest BMW dealership to me (5 miles away) because of problems I had with them in the past, so to take advantage of BMW's free maintenance and repairs for the first 4 years would have meant using a dealership ~30 miles away.
#346 of 361 Audi vs BMW vs G - from a previous S4 owner
Apr 19, 2010 (5:08 pm)
I used to drive a 2002 S4, and just bought a 2010 G37. This is my $.02 -
- Interior quality: nothing beats Audi. Period. Stepping from Audi into a Bmw (yes even my 8 year sold car) is a step down, and IMO bigger step than Bmw->Infiniti G.
- driving dynamics: the big difference is AWD (mechanical AWD, not electronic) vs RWD. You can easily feel the difference (if you care for it) in everyday driving, in every corner. Turn in on a AWD car is not as tight. Once again, the difference between 335 and G simply does not exist for 90% of driving that 90% of people will encounter. Once it rains/snows, both of these will fail compared to Quattro.
- mpg: no one buys a luxury sports sedan for mpg. Drive it to have fun, and all of these will give you ~20 +- 2.
- tech toys: Infiniti wins here, big time. Best nav, most std toys. This is something you will get to use everyday. The G doesn't have a great sound system (Bose but actually a Clarion) compared to the other 2.
- reliability: I'd say most people lease a BMW, and most buy a G, with the Audi inbetween. So for a lot of poeple, reliability on a leased Bimmer is not a factor, esp with included maintenance. German car reliability is never going to be as good as the Japanese, but its not that bad, for the amount of time most people keep these cars.
- performance: torque is what makes a car feel fast. The 335 has it in spades. My G feels no faster than my old S4 and in fact a A4 2.0 feels preppier in daily driving. Because it is. The 330hp make their presence felt when you feel like overtaking at 65mph. This is why DS/manual mode exists, learn to use it and the car is a whole lot more fun.
If I had the cash, I'd go for an S5, without a doubt. I'm sick and tired of BMW gouging you for every option, and the car's looks/interior just doesn't do it for me. For a lot less $, the G gives almost the same performance.
#347 of 361 Re: Audi vs BMW vs G - from a previous S4 owner [mrcrispy]
Apr 19, 2010 (6:45 pm)
Great comments & insights on the Audi vs BMW vs G.
How about the performance of the G37 Sport 6MT sedan vs. same car with automatic?
#348 of 361 Re: Audi vs BMW vs G - from a previous S4 owner [billpaul]
Apr 19, 2010 (7:58 pm)
G37 6MT is definitely more involving to drive, however like any manual its also more work and not worth it for a daily driver (for me). There's a reason why most performance cars come with an auto, or a dual clutch/DSG type shifter which is the best. If you really value the feel of a well timed shift, the G's paddle shifters in M mode are still too slow. For people who argue that a manual is the only true way, tell that to F1 drivers
6MT performance is same as automatic+sport package as far as handling goes.
I didn't get Sport (to save money), and the ride is a little softer. Another point worth noting is that these cars come with 'learning' transmissions, where the auto will learn your driving habits over time. My S4 had it and the G does too, not sure about the BMW. FWIW, I never used the 'manual' mode as much as I thought I would, but its nice to have when you need it, like merging.
#349 of 361 3-Series Question
Apr 28, 2010 (2:06 pm)
Does anybody know, can you get a automatic trans in a 3 or is the manual all that is offered? Do you have to go up into the 5 to get the automatic?
#350 of 361 Re: 3-Series Question [smarty666]
Apr 28, 2010 (5:22 pm)
Are you serious? Most 3 series sold in the U.S. are automatic, In fact, you'd be lucky to find a handful of 3-series with manual tranny in stock at any dealership. I had to order mine the last time around.
#351 of 361 Re: 3-Series Question [jtla]
Apr 28, 2010 (7:24 pm)
I was just curious because BMW's website only lets you build 3-series with a manual transmission. My local BMW dealer doesn't have much new on the lot at any given time, most of it is all used.
#352 of 361 Re: 3-Series Question [smarty666]
Apr 28, 2010 (10:03 pm)
The automatic transmission is a $1,375 option in the fourth tab of the "Build Your Own" on the website.
#353 of 361 Re: 3-Series Question [jtla]
Apr 29, 2010 (10:19 am)
thanks for the info!!
#354 of 361 BMW Auto
Apr 30, 2010 (8:34 pm)
The BMW automatic transmission will learn your driving style too.
The free maintenance seems to be great but the dealer only follows the much longer scheduled maintenance preset in the car (15K for an oil change!)
I have a 2006 A4 3.2. I test drove the G (a 2008 so it's probably a G35X, not a G37X) before I got a 335xi.
The Audi transmission is smooth if you accelerate continuously. If you are doing city driving, you may find out it upshifts too early. Sometime, it hesitates to downshift and you need to force it to do it. Maybe the transmission in the 2009+ is better.
I test drove the G sedan (AWD). It's a nice car with good interior and options but that is. It's not that special for me.
Before I drove a 335i, I thought a 328i would be good enough for me (I got it as a loaner). No way, I will never get it.
I test drove a 335i and a 335xi. I was very happy when going through a 30mph limit curve with 70mph (the salesperson asked me to do that). I bought the 335xi because I needed to work in Wisconsin for almost a year (I am glad it's over).
Although the car is AWD, it started out as RWD first. It's fun. Twin turbo rocks!
Both the power and torque are amazing. The car always wants you to give it more gas to go so it could be dangerous.
As someone mentioned before, Audi has the best interior. The Bimmer..forget about it.
The problem of the G and the 3-series to me is there are too many of them on the roads. Now I may get the new supercharged S4.
I agree the G probably has the best value among the group. It all depends on what you are looking for. Test drive them and see what you like.