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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Sedan
#280 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [jmaroun]
Jan 08, 2010 (1:41 pm)
Impressive post. My list of 6 was used as well here and we agree for the most part. That list was meant to highlight that its not just HP that drives the purchase of a G37 but I am happy that you saw what I see:)
On handling, I try not to say much about what I think, it can be perceived as "make believe" however allow me to post something from C/D
"This is a serious machine: planted, professional, poised. The steering always knows how to find straight-ahead, and the effort builds progressively as you turn. Unlike most of the others, the brakes are not overboosted. They have a linear feel, just right for holding the edge of the friction circle as you trail-brake into curves."
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q2/2009_infiniti_g37_vs._bmw_3- - - 28i_audi_a4_and_acura_tl-comparison_tests/2009_infiniti_g37_sport_page_4
And here at Edmunds
"But driven with a purpose, the Infiniti is the most capable car in this test when it comes to handling."
http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g35/2007/comparison-test-2007-2008-sport-seda- - ns.html
I am not too bothered in where the G landed in these tests its not important. However if the point is handling this is one of the G's strong points. Every article you will read will tell you that. Which is why I was suprised when you used the words "disconnected" to describe how the car drives.
Like you said, its more how one feels when driving thats important, if you felt a certain way then thats important. The G however cannot handle the same as the 335i as there are made differently, its handles in its own way but I believe it handles "great" and I agree the 335 handles better.
#281 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [millwood0]
Jan 08, 2010 (1:55 pm)
Well here I agree, there is more to a car other than HP, which is why I went with the G35 and will be going to the G37 soon. Currently the 328i's are priced lower than the 2010 G sedans after incentives.
Something I do not understand here, why is the G37 better value than the 328i? You indicated earlier that there is more to a car than just horses (so lets take horses out of the equation completely), the 3 series has a more refined engine and does not have the bright lights of the G. It would appear from your line of thought the 328i is the better value, No?
HP helps with residual values though if considering cars in the same class.
Not trying to offend anyone, just giving this discussion a different twist
#282 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [sjaieve]
Jan 08, 2010 (4:58 pm)
"However if the point is handling this is one of the G's strong points. Every article you will read will tell you that. Which is why I was suprised when you used the words "disconnected" to describe how the car drives. "
the bmw 330 I had handled better than my g37x: the bmw is more communicative, more civilized and more confidence inspiring. the g is rougher, firmer and harshier for the sake of being firmer and harsher. the steering is very (overly in my view) boosted vs. the bmw.
the bmw represented a better compromise between comfort and handling.
#283 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [sjaieve]
Jan 08, 2010 (4:59 pm)
" It would appear from your line of thought the 328i is the better value, No? "
a base 328 is cheaper than a g (not by much though). a comparably equip'd 328 would be as expensive as, if not more expensive than, the g.
so to me, the g is a better value.
However, it is highly likely a comparably equip'd 328 is cheaper to lease than a g.
#284 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [millwood0]
Jan 08, 2010 (5:49 pm)
Wait a minute, you have the X, now that makes sense. The G in X form is not like the S4 AWD system. The handling will be slightly compromised but will still be better than most cars in this segment, serve for the non X 3 series probably. The G37S, thats the car which handles probably at par with the 3 series as my post from Edmunds indicates and most articles you read out there will state the same.
I know you also spoke of the car not driving well in the city which to me is a suprise as I find the car just does everything I would expect in the city or on the h/way. To put things into perspective, I had an IS250 which I got rid of less than 2 years into owning it for the G35. I can confidently say the G rides better than the IS250, less road noise too (the IS engine is quiter though). I know the IS250 is no 3 series but the point is the G's ride is not harsh or rough.
The only thing I would like to add to anyone choosing between the 3 & the G is be careful when you start seeing the use of words such as:
Rough, loud, disconnected, not as pleasant to drive etc. There are myths out there that can easily be disregarded once you start researching and taking these cars out for a test drive. You have to remember you are comparing a +100 year sports car heritage with a 20 year heritage, you have probably been bombarded with so many myths it will take some time to identify the truth. However cross shopping these 2 shows how far Nissan has come and I have to say for +40k I deserve better than to return a car less than 30k miles.
A measure of handling and confidence of taking curves is the slalom test. Here at Edmunds in Coupe form, the G achieved the better speed compared to the 335i, in sedan form the 335i was better I believe but it was very very close. Check out the lateral grip numbers too.
On the free maintenance issue, I have incurred just under 2k in maintenance expenses (all routine no reliability issues here) after just over 50k miles in about 2 years. This is just a weekend car and over 50% of those miles are just me having fun. Now my G is fully loaded, around 43k MSRP. A comparably equipped 335i would be just over 50k, so you tell me if the free maintenance is of any significance here. In base form the 335i is 40 & the G37 is 33k
Jan 08, 2010 (8:56 pm)
Its interesting that there is one 328i owner here who clearly wants out and is looking for alternatives, the IS250 being one of them. LOL, IS250 man good luck with that:)
The point here is contrast the ownership experience with mine. I am set, G37 is the next move, the only car that may change my mind is the 2010 S4. I love both but then the issue of reliability comes in, the jury is still out on the S4. I spend time on an S4 forum where someone said Audi showed BMW that if you are going to make a +50k (with added options) sport sedan, here is how you do it. I think we will all agree on that.
#286 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [sjaieve]
Jan 09, 2010 (5:49 am)
for the 3-series vs. g talk, i was making comparison between a 330i (rwd) vs. a g37x.
the g's handling is far less civilized - crude would be what I would describe it: rough over the smallest bump; and sudden shift when pushed to the limit. the g performs comparable vs. the 3-series at highway speed or over a large diameter turn (highway on or off ramp).
for small bumps the 3-series provides more cushioning so when driving around town, it is easier in a 3-series. but it doesn't lose anything to the g during sharp turns or at high speed.
the g's steering wheel is also highly boosted, aka camry like.
the 3-series' steering feedback reminds me of mr2: it gets progressively lighter as the vehicle was about to lose control. that "band" is considerably smaller in a g.
I am not a suspension specialist but to a layman, the g coupled a harsher / firmer spring with a linear dampening shock. the 3-series has a softer spring but progressively higher dampening shock.
if that makes sense.
Again, I loved the 330 when it worked. the problem is the problems I had with it, and the high cost to keep it running. so I swore I would never own another german again but the dealership gave me a good deal on the X3 so I took it.
#287 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [millwood0]
Jan 09, 2010 (5:51 am)
one thing that really surprised me when i moved to the infiniti land is that 1) infiniti doesn't use synthetic oil and 2) the oil changes aren't free.
how do they expect to compete in this segment?
#288 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [millwood0]
Jan 09, 2010 (5:54 am)
the 330 I had was a 2004. the chassis is good but the next gen's chassis is absolutely fabulous: it is solid as a rock.
I think the best deal is the 328 (with the 3.0 engine): it is cheaper than my 330 but has a better chassis.
#289 of 361 Re: 335 Sedan Vs G37S Sedan [millwood0]
Jan 09, 2010 (7:21 am)
the steering is very (overly in my view) boosted vs. the bmw.
That's one of things I've notice with my '09 G37S. There appears to be more power assist at road speeds than there needs to be. Heck, at highway speeds, I would be happy with no power assist at all .
Now, I only have 1200 mile on the G37, so maybe I just haven't got used to the car yet. I test drove a '328 when i was shopping around and during the (short) test drives of both cars, I did not feel much of a difference. It has taken me several hundred miles to come to this conclusion about the G37's steering.
I also still have, and drive an '87 '325. In my mind, it's steering feel is just what it should be, even though I don't think it has speed-adaptive power steering.