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Re: [yak33]
by dvsutton
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Nov 12, 2008 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: yak33 (Nov 11, 2008 12:11 am)
It will be a American brand vehicle. I'm tired of warranty issues, dealing with incompetence at Toyota/Honda dealers and the monkeys they hire to "band aid" the fix. GM, Ford, and Chrysler will be around in some way for longer than that. If the quality of the Japanese is anything like the ones I have the displeasure of owning, Toyota and Honda should be having major recalls in the near future. Whoops, I mean service bullitens in Japan speak. As for the Tundra. I can't comment on your 02, but my son, against my wishes, bought a 08 Tundra.. Camshaft broke. Rotors had to be replaced. Universals out of balance. All were recalls in the first six months of ownership. The truck was out of his hands for almost two months during the first year he has owned it. Now he is trying to sell it but it isn't worth anything. Everyone around here knows of the Tundra's issues and won't buy it. We are thinking of donating it. Or use it as a boat anchor.
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hmmmmm.
by anythngbutgm
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Nov 12, 2008 (9:16 am)
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http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f12de47/584
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Re: hmmmmm. [anythngbutgm]
by yak33
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Nov 12, 2008 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Nov 12, 2008 9:16 am)
hmmmmm - I'm sure my views will contrast greatly with mr. sutton, and the link you provided means I'll bite my lip and move on. It has presumbably saved me time.
All I will say is I've been a ford and gm guy for a long, long time, as was my father. However, life doesn't exist in a vacuum and the changes, both good and bad, in the auto industry over the past many years has been significant. If you can't recognize, acknowledge, and accept them, and are blinded by bias, I can offer nothing to mr. sutton.
yak33
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Bais?
by dvsutton
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Nov 12, 2008 (11:16 pm)
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If you really were a longtime GM guy then you wouldn't even consider a Toyota. So i would say you are the Bias one.
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Re: Bais? [dvsutton]
by bobber1
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Nov 13, 2008 (9:17 pm)
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Replying to: dvsutton (Nov 12, 2008 11:16 pm)
You got be to kidding. 
I've driven GM for the last 25 years, but now have a Ford Taurus and Honda Odyssey in my garage. Love both of them.
The General just didn't have what I wanted when I was shopping last. Their minivans are lousy and their new CUV's are overpriced and too small for what I need. The Taurus was bigger, safer, quieter and better built than the Impala I compared it with.
Just because I was a GM guy didn't mean I had blinders on my eyes. 
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Re: Bais? [bobber1]
by thegraduate
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Nov 24, 2008 (10:29 pm)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Nov 13, 2008 9:17 pm)
That's the smart move! My folks, for years, were Honda-only people. They never had a reason to look around, or so they thought. They bought vehicles that provided safe, very reliable transportation. They compromised on what vehicle they bought by staying within one brand. Do they still like Honda? Sure; they have a 2007 Civic EX with over 60,000 miles (and no, no typo there!). They also are the proud owners of a 2008 Ford Taurus. They say it is the nicest car they've ever owned or driven (and I have to agree after years of Civics and 4-cyl Accords, plus an Odyssey and a CR-V). I've driven it as well, and it is very impressive.
To limit yourself from brands because of what others say isn't a wise move. Sure, there are larger trends you should look at (check long-term reliability, none of this JD-Powers Initial Quality stuff), but also examine your needs. When I convinced my parents to at least give the Taurus a try, they found they could have a leather-equipped, 263hp Full Size sedan for their highway trips, with all the bells and whistles, for the same price that they were quoted on an LX (base model) 4-cylinder Accord.
Checking your options is an important thing to do, and try looking at things in an unbiased way!
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Re: Biased person? [bobber1]
by hansienna
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Nov 27, 2008 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: bobber1 (Nov 13, 2008 9:17 pm)
I have owned GM, Ford, Volkswagen, Volvo, Chrysler, and Toyota. My current 2006 Sienna LE is one of the LEAST liked of all vehicles...Volkswagen and Volvo are the only brands that disappointed me more than the Sienna LE. 
The Honda Odyssey is at the top of my list for most probable next new vehicle. 
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Re: Biased person? [hansienna]
by dvsutton
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Dec 05, 2008 (3:58 am)
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Replying to: hansienna (Nov 27, 2008 6:51 pm)
Get ready to spend alot of time in the Honda service waiting area. Your first transmission should last about 8k miles. Honda will say they are sorry about that, hold your van for about three weeks while they ship the parts from Japan. You will get it back all full of grease on the interior. That should last you for another 10k or so miles when the rotors will warp an vibrate the hell out of everything. Your dvd player will skip over any expansion joint in the road. Your sliding door will malfunction to a point where one day you are opening it up and it will come right off of the track onto you child foot. Unfortunately the monkey behind the counter at the Honda dealership will say is this "they all do that" So good luck with your purchase. I'll save you a chair if you get there early enough. It fills up fast these days at my local Honda dealership.
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Re: Biased person? [hansienna]
by vinnyny
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Dec 05, 2008 (8:42 pm)
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Replying to: hansienna (Nov 27, 2008 6:51 pm)
I've owned four Honda Odysseys and never had a serious problem with any of them. Other than the PAX tires, I have no complaints.
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Re: Biased person? [vinnyny]
by dvsutton
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Dec 18, 2008 (4:54 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Dec 05, 2008 8:42 pm)
You must trade them after 5k miles. That's when all of the problems start
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