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#138 of 184 Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [dvsutton] by mfletou1 Dec 01, 2007 (9:30 pm)
Replying to: dvsutton (Dec 01, 2007 7:39 pm) What a line of reasoning.   Ever occur to you than perhaps these people are simply having their mileage checks and maintenance done?   I don't know about you, but if I bring a car in for a repair, I don't wait around for it. No matter the make or model, it usually takes hours. If I'm bringing it in for an oil change or a tire rotation, I'll wait.   I'd say the same thing, by the way, if someone was trying to claim that Dodge vans are unreliable because the waiting rooms at Dodge dealers are full. Its just a silly argument. Replies to this message: dvsutton (Dec 04, 2007 9:35 pm) gavanmom (Feb 10, 2008 10:00 am) dvsutton (Feb 12, 2008 10:26 pm)
#139 of 184 Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by hansienna Dec 03, 2007 (5:55 pm)
Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 01, 2007 6:40 am) I would also buy the Odyssey if I were in your situation.
#140 of 184 Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [mfletou1] by dvsutton Dec 04, 2007 (9:35 pm)
Replying to: mfletou1 (Dec 01, 2007 9:30 pm) Well, all of the days I have spent, in multiple Honda dealers, waiting for them to fix this pile of junk, I get to know people. You can see it on their faces when they come in and their complextion is as red as a fire truck from yelling at some idiot service write up moron, who doesn't give a crap about you or your problem. Just last week when I had my wifes Odyssey in for another probem, not related to the transmission this time thank God, a woman came in and sat down next to me so upset she was ready to cry. She bought a new Civic in August. She had it about a week when the radio stopped working. Dealer fixed the radio. Next day she gets in to the car and goes to work, but none of the dash lights up. Back to the dealership. fix that problem. Two days later comes out and cars battery is dead. Towed to the dealership, new battery installed. Takes a trip to see her boyfriend about an hour and a half away. Tries to start the car up next morning, dead again. Towed to another Honda dealership. Find wire that supplies power to dash was crushed during assembly and is shorting out electrical system. Replace wire and sends her on her way. About two months later vibration starts to appear in the front. Dealer says "nothing wrong" with it. Takes it to another Honda dealer, finds out that rotors are warping. Service manger tells her that there are no rotors in stock at this moment for that car. She has to wait for four days until they come in. Fix that problem. Now here she is back again. She has an oil leak. The dealership says that two of the bolts that hold the oil pan are stripped and making the gasket leak. They must of been stripped during assembly he says. They will have to have the district service manager look at it to get an OK to fix it. Like I said, she is ready to cry. Everyone in that waiting room has sympathy for her and all the stories strarted coming out about Honda quality problems. In fact, only one person out of the 13 people there, was there for a scheduled maintenance item. I don't like to leave my vehicle at the Honda dealership. Evertime I have done that, somehow I get pushed to the back of the line. If I wait, I hope they have some sense of urgency to at least look at it.    So, in fact, I do know about other Honda owners problems and all the troubles they go through to get their vehicles fixed. Like I said before. I will never buy another Honda product, and will tell my story to everyone who is even considering one, to warn them that HONDA QUALITY IS A SHAM! Replies to this message: gavanmom (Feb 10, 2008 10:00 am) dvsutton (Feb 12, 2008 10:26 pm)
#141 of 184 Re: Money Matters [dennisctc] by cam47 Jan 28, 2008 (9:33 am)
Replying to: dennisctc (Nov 21, 2007 1:55 pm) I have a 1996 Dodge Caravan with 145,000 miles on the original transmission. I have never had any problems with it and never have had the fluid changed.   I test drive three 2008 vehicles: Toyota Sienna CL, Honda Oddesey LX and a Town & Country Touring. After 5-10 minutes in the Toyota, I started experiencing lower back pain. I test drove the Honda for two days and on the second day, the same results. I drove the T&C and have experienced no pain. The Honda drives like a sports car, where the T&C has the floating sensation. There is a lot more vehicle in front of you, which is nice to have if you are involved in and accident. It also has more features for less $$ than either of the other 2. I will agree that cheaper materials goes into the van, but remember Chrysler has union workers, so the have to use cheaper materials, so they can pay someone $40/hour to screw on lug nuts. Had Honda built a comfortable vehicle, I would have gone with it. Regardless of what they say, the Oddesy gets around 14/mpg (highway and city combined) and they have a history of transmission problems. Chrysler guarantees theirs for life. Let's hope they are around to stand behind it. Replies to this message: dennisctc (Jan 28, 2008 10:22 am) hansienna (Jan 28, 2008 4:06 pm)
#142 of 184 Re: Money Matters [cam47] by dennisctc Jan 28, 2008 (10:22 am)
Replying to: cam47 (Jan 28, 2008 9:33 am) I don't think you can use unions to justify Chrysler's interior. I read recently where Toyota's total compensation in their plant is slightly higher than Ford's or GM's. Which vehicle was the quietest in your opinion? Replies to this message: hansienna (Jan 28, 2008 4:06 pm)
#143 of 184 Re: Cheap Chrysler interiors [dennisctc] by hansienna Jan 28, 2008 (4:06 pm)
Replying to: dennisctc (Jan 28, 2008 10:22 am) I agree with dennis but will add: Corporate CEO GREED hurts the American Consumer more than well paid union employees.   I also agree that Chrysler interiors look and feel CHEAP. Sad, because the original Caravans had very nice interiors.   For me, the Odyssey has THE most comfortable seats for all 6 passengers and driver and the best designed dash/instrument cluster to prevent glare from sunlight.
#144 of 184 Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [dvsutton] by gavanmom Feb 10, 2008 (10:00 am)
Replying to: dvsutton (Dec 04, 2007 9:35 pm) Hello, I feel for this woman as my husband and I are going through the same thing with our 2007 Odyssey. 33 days in the shop out of 7 months and 3 new transmissions, brakes and multiple other things.   Finally fed up and hired an attorney to actually get one that works or our money back. It sucks to buy a brand new car and make those payments every month for a car that is not reliable and safe.   We are waiting on Honda to schedule their "final chance fix" and will see where it goes from there. Replies to this message: dvsutton (Feb 12, 2008 10:26 pm)
#145 of 184 Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [gavanmom] by dvsutton Feb 12, 2008 (10:26 pm)
Replying to: gavanmom (Feb 10, 2008 10:00 am) I guess we are part of a ever growing list of dissatisfied Honda owners that their problems are constantly hidden and swept under the rug for no one to hear about. It would lead me to think that something is being "covered up" at Honda. Your "service bulliten" at Honda is actually a RECALL.
#146 of 184 Re: My opinion on the 2008 Chrysler/Dodge [socalawd] by marine2 Feb 15, 2008 (2:35 pm)
Replying to: socalawd (Sep 21, 2007 2:10 pm) Dang I almost forgot to place this here!! A recent acticle had recalls by manufactured in 2006 cars. Guess what the Chrysler group(Not all of DCX). Recalled 2.3 million cars. Honda 1,397. Now take into effect that Honda built more cars than Chrsler group by over a million cars. The recall isn't my standard for auto quality. Can anybody recall who's standard it is   Would you consider this the standard for auto quality, because they are known to have the best.?   Toyota Recalls More Cars Than They Sold: Is There Fairness in the Media? When Ford launched the the 2008 Ford Escape and the Mercury Mariner the media was invited out to the ceremony. Some of the reporters want to ask some questions about Ford. The UAW Local 249 bargaining chair R.D Snow had some questions for them. "Why is it that when Toyota has a recall, a small paragraph inside the paper is printed, but if Ford has a recall, it's splashed all over the front page? Of course they said they didn't make those decisions and the suddenly scattered.   The fact is the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced that Toyota recalled more vehicles in the US than they sold last year. They recalled 2.38 million vehicles but only sold 2.26 million. Did you hear about that? I doubt it. Did you hear that Toyota is making an major apology for their "worrisome series of recalls" that has tarnished their reputation for quality? Did you hear about the Toyota senior manager saying that, we used to do quit recalls called, service campaigns' to deal with defects. (www.2006toyotarecalls.com)   How Americans Can Buy American says that in Japan, prosecutors are looking into possible negligence of the part of Toyota for shrinking recalls for the last eight years. You probably didn't hear about that one either because the American media doesn't like to bash foreign auto companies, just American auto makers. Consumer reports announced that both the Ford Fusion and the Mercury Milan scored higher than both the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord this year.   Toyota Motor Corp it was recalling 533,000 Tundra pickup trucks and Sequoia sport utility vehicles because of potential steering problems.   Toyota said the recall involved 2004-2006 Tundra trucks and 2004-2007 Sequoia full-size SUVs. The automaker has received reports of 11 accidents and six injuries connected to the recall, said Toyota spokesman Bill Kwong. The automaker said there was a possibility of excessive wear to a front suspension lower ball joint that could make it difficult to steer the vehicle and stay in the center of the lane. Drivers may also notice more noise coming from the front suspension, Kwong said.   http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/182700/toyota_recalls_more_cars_than_th- ey.html
#147 of 184 Difference for my family by cstorm Aug 04, 2008 (3:49 am)
In November 2004 we leased our 1st Dodge Grand Caravan SXT, a 2005, because the Ody did not have a power tailgate unless you bought the Touring model. Also, the Stow & Go seats are awesomely useful, and have proven to be a must-have for us. The underfloor storage is a godsend. We leased a new 2006 Dodge SXT in October 2006.   Last month, I looked at the Odyssey again. Still no folding seats, and NO POWER TAILGATE unless you got the touring model, for $40K. See ya Honda! I own a 2003 Accord and a Gold Wing, so I am not some Chrysler fanatic. But Toyota & Honda make you pay extra for major conveniences that the Chrysler vans make available to everyone for little or no cost, no matter what the trim level. We leased a '08 Town & Country Sig.Series, which has pretty much all the toys. I am a believer in the Chrysler vans. There is simply no better alternative when dealing with the realities of transporting a family. The Odyssey may carve corners better, but who honestly cares...it's a van. I want my van to ve convenient and comfortable.

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