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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [ducksdad007]
by dennisctc
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Dec 01, 2007 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: ducksdad007 (Nov 28, 2007 8:58 pm)
Yeah DVSUTTON!!! Only Ducks opinion counts on here. He can wrap every Chrysler tranny ever built into his bashing, even though Chrysler hasn't had any more problems than any other OEM since the late 90s.....sooo what!!! Perception is all that matters to some people. Still hard to believe all your bad luck Ducks, then going out and continuing to buy them??? Wow....amazing!!!! Honda's had their share also, but i don't make assumptions that their trannys are still troubled for 2007.
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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [vinnyny]
by dennisctc
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Dec 01, 2007 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 29, 2007 9:16 pm)
I've never been there for anything more than an oil change. But then, I've only had four Odysseys.
Sounds like me and my 4 Dodges!!! I averaged over 80k miles each with nothing but brakes, tires, and oil changes. All but one were fleet vehicles that weren't pampered at all, constant use/abuse.
Only my dealership has a "cafe" that serves fresh ground coffee, has a few computers for internet access etc....
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- #135 of 184
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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [dennisctc]
by ducksdad007
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Dec 01, 2007 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: dennisctc (Dec 01, 2007 7:33 am)
Only bought two. Anybody can make a mistake. But guess what, I will never buy another. I also wonder why you are lurking in the Honda forums. It must be awful to me so cynical.
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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [ducksdad007]
by tedebear
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Dec 01, 2007 (4:54 pm)
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Replying to: ducksdad007 (Dec 01, 2007 2:22 pm)
I also wonder why you are lurking in the Honda forums.
This thread also shows up in the Dodge Caravan forums.
Also, you never answered my question. You stated that the Caravan had a nicer ride but you were tired of buying transmissions. Things have changed but weren't you aware of the lifetime powertrain warranty that is now included on practically every Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep vehicle? The transmission is part of the powertrain.
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- #137 of 184
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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [vinnyny]
by dvsutton
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Dec 01, 2007 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 29, 2007 9:16 pm)
Waiting room at the Honda deaership that i go to is packed by 8:00 AM. EVERY TIME!. Can't even get a seat. If Hondas are so great then why is is so full of people having probems with their cars?
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- #138 of 184
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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [dvsutton]
by mfletou1
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Dec 01, 2007 (9:30 pm)
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Replying to: dvsutton (Dec 01, 2007 7:39 pm)
What a line of reasoning.
Ever occur to you than perhaps these people are simply having their mileage checks and maintenance done?
I don't know about you, but if I bring a car in for a repair, I don't wait around for it. No matter the make or model, it usually takes hours. If I'm bringing it in for an oil change or a tire rotation, I'll wait.
I'd say the same thing, by the way, if someone was trying to claim that Dodge vans are unreliable because the waiting rooms at Dodge dealers are full. Its just a silly argument.
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny]
by hansienna
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Dec 03, 2007 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 01, 2007 6:40 am)
I would also buy the Odyssey if I were in your situation. 
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- #140 of 184
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Re: Doesn't explain Honda troubles [mfletou1]
by dvsutton
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Dec 04, 2007 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: mfletou1 (Dec 01, 2007 9:30 pm)
Well, all of the days I have spent, in multiple Honda dealers, waiting for them to fix this pile of junk, I get to know people. You can see it on their faces when they come in and their complextion is as red as a fire truck from yelling at some idiot service write up moron, who doesn't give a crap about you or your problem. Just last week when I had my wifes Odyssey in for another probem, not related to the transmission this time thank God, a woman came in and sat down next to me so upset she was ready to cry. She bought a new Civic in August. She had it about a week when the radio stopped working. Dealer fixed the radio. Next day she gets in to the car and goes to work, but none of the dash lights up. Back to the dealership. fix that problem. Two days later comes out and cars battery is dead. Towed to the dealership, new battery installed. Takes a trip to see her boyfriend about an hour and a half away. Tries to start the car up next morning, dead again. Towed to another Honda dealership. Find wire that supplies power to dash was crushed during assembly and is shorting out electrical system. Replace wire and sends her on her way. About two months later vibration starts to appear in the front. Dealer says "nothing wrong" with it. Takes it to another Honda dealer, finds out that rotors are warping. Service manger tells her that there are no rotors in stock at this moment for that car. She has to wait for four days until they come in. Fix that problem. Now here she is back again. She has an oil leak. The dealership says that two of the bolts that hold the oil pan are stripped and making the gasket leak. They must of been stripped during assembly he says. They will have to have the district service manager look at it to get an OK to fix it. Like I said, she is ready to cry. Everyone in that waiting room has sympathy for her and all the stories strarted coming out about Honda quality problems. In fact, only one person out of the 13 people there, was there for a scheduled maintenance item. I don't like to leave my vehicle at the Honda dealership. Evertime I have done that, somehow I get pushed to the back of the line. If I wait, I hope they have some sense of urgency to at least look at it.
So, in fact, I do know about other Honda owners problems and all the troubles they go through to get their vehicles fixed. Like I said before. I will never buy another Honda product, and will tell my story to everyone who is even considering one, to warn them that HONDA QUALITY IS A SHAM!
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Re: Money Matters [dennisctc]
by cam47
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Jan 28, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: dennisctc (Nov 21, 2007 1:55 pm)
I have a 1996 Dodge Caravan with 145,000 miles on the original transmission. I have never had any problems with it and never have had the fluid changed.
I test drive three 2008 vehicles: Toyota Sienna CL, Honda Oddesey LX and a Town & Country Touring. After 5-10 minutes in the Toyota, I started experiencing lower back pain. I test drove the Honda for two days and on the second day, the same results. I drove the T&C and have experienced no pain. The Honda drives like a sports car, where the T&C has the floating sensation. There is a lot more vehicle in front of you, which is nice to have if you are involved in and accident. It also has more features for less $$ than either of the other 2. I will agree that cheaper materials goes into the van, but remember Chrysler has union workers, so the have to use cheaper materials, so they can pay someone $40/hour to screw on lug nuts. Had Honda built a comfortable vehicle, I would have gone with it. Regardless of what they say, the Oddesy gets around 14/mpg (highway and city combined) and they have a history of transmission problems. Chrysler guarantees theirs for life. Let's hope they are around to stand behind it.
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Re: Money Matters [cam47]
by dennisctc
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Jan 28, 2008 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: cam47 (Jan 28, 2008 9:33 am)
I don't think you can use unions to justify Chrysler's interior. I read recently where Toyota's total compensation in their plant is slightly higher than Ford's or GM's. Which vehicle was the quietest in your opinion?
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