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Article Comments - 2008 Dodge Grand Caravan vs. 2007 Honda Odyssey Touring

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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by maryh3
Nov 19, 2007 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 19, 2007 6:43 am)

Hmm sounds like Honda supposedly covering their defective transmissions for "free" upto 109K. Wonder if you think they are really doing it for free too?
 
I believe Chrysler can offer this warrenty because
 
1. They don't have lots of powertrain issues. The other piddly things that send people to the mechanic other than powertrains aren't covered after 36K.
2. A certain number of their products will be totalled in crashes, stolen, repossessed, or simply leased out. LOTS of autos are leased instead of bought anymore. Invalidates the warranty.
3. A large number of their products will be traded in invalidating the warranty.
4. A certain portion of people won't do the simple 5 year check up invalidating the warranty.
 
The 3.3L and 3.8L engines are tried and true as Chrysler has had lots of time to work out the bugs. Its the 4.0L and the new 6 speed transmission that concerns me so I'm glad they offered this warranty.
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Re: Money Matters [maryh3] by vinnyny
Nov 20, 2007 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 19, 2007 7:12 am)

I don't think Honda had much of a choice in covering their 5-speed automatics up to 100k. They identified the problem and took steps to correct it. If they hadn't, there probably would have been a federally-mandated recall. While Honda didn't charge to extend the warranties, somebody paid for it.
 
I agree with everything you've said, but I'll take it one step further. Warranties aren't free. You pay for it somewhere. I'd be willing to bet that if buyers were presented the choice of a lifetime limited warranty or $500 cash and a 5/60 powertrain warranty, most buyers would take the cash and the regular, fully-transferrable warranty.
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by maryh3
Nov 20, 2007 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 20, 2007 6:51 am)

Bottom line -- all the auto manufacturers are in it to make money, not cars. And if they stop making money they stop making cars too. Honda gives a temp fix to its transmissions because of a class action suit -- not to be "nice" or retain its "reliable reputation". Chrysler gives the warranty to sell cars to people like me who are hesitant to buy any vehicle in a new model year with a new engine and transmission. They get the upfront $$$ I give them for my purchase and they make enough off of it to give me some transmission work 10 years from now.
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by ducksdad007
Nov 20, 2007 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 20, 2007 6:51 am)

Chrysler has been putting the same defective transmission in their Caravans for over a decade. The Feds never bothered them.
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Re: Money Matters [ducksdad007] by maryh3
Nov 21, 2007 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: ducksdad007 (Nov 20, 2007 12:25 pm)

"Chrysler has been putting the same defective transmission in their Caravans for over a decade. The Feds never bothered them"
 
What do the Feds have to do with a Class Action Lawsuit? I question whether the Feds could even force a recall by a foreign company. If you remember, several years ago one of the German companies (either Audi or BMW) cars had a defective transmission, and it was jumping out of park and rolling forward. Several deaths occurred. Unfortunately they never recalled or admitted the defect, and the US government could not force a recall by a foreign company.
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Re: Money Matters [maryh3] by maryh3
Nov 21, 2007 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 21, 2007 7:40 am)

Actually that Audi thing may have been misrepresented:
 
http://www.car-forums.com/s10/t2240.html
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Re: Money Matters [maryh3] by vinnyny
Nov 21, 2007 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 21, 2007 7:40 am)

That was the Audi 5000 and it was another victim of a so-called "60 Minutes Investigation". If I recall correctly, it was determined that the whole thing came down to morons who couldn't tell the difference between the accelerator and brake. I personally tried to make an Audi 5000 override its brakes--left foot mashing on the brake and right foot fully into the throttle. The car wouldn't budge.
 
Audi was exonerated in the DOT investigation. Of course, the truth couldn't help Audi which almost went out of business in the US. Some good came of this travesty: the Audi debacle resulted in the addition of an added safety feature--the one that requires you to depress the brake before starting a car with an automatic transmission.

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