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Re: Money Matters [ducksdad007] by tedebear
Nov 09, 2007 (11:47 pm)
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Replying to: ducksdad007 (Nov 08, 2007 12:48 pm)

Not as comfortable as the Grand Caravan, the ride wasn't as smooth, but what the hell, I'm trying to stop spending money on transmissions.
 
Were you not aware of the lifetime powertrain warranty on the GC? The transmission is part of that.
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Re: Money Matters [tedebear] by jchan2
Nov 17, 2007 (10:44 pm)
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Replying to: tedebear (Nov 09, 2007 11:47 pm)

Don't forget the legal disclaimers that go with the warranty: warranty is non-transferable, inspection must be done by dealer once every 5 years. Miss the 2nd part, and the whole thing's gone.
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Re: Money Matters [tedebear] by vinnyny
Nov 18, 2007 (5:05 am)
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Replying to: tedebear (Nov 09, 2007 11:47 pm)

How many people keep their minivan long enough to make this "lifetime" non-transferrable warranty worth more than a good 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty? Do you really think you're not paying for that warranty? Personally, I'd prefer to get an extra $500 cash back than some meaningless warranty I'll never use. If one does keep the van longer than 5 years, will the warranty survive the next change in Chrysler's ownership?
 
Bottomline: LIFETIME WARRANTY = GIMMICK.
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Re: Money Matters [jchan2] by maryh3
Nov 18, 2007 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: jchan2 (Nov 17, 2007 10:44 pm)

Actually I was surprised that a dealer inspection once every 5 years was ALL that was required. Not very much at all IMO.
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by maryh3
Nov 18, 2007 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 18, 2007 5:05 am)

I've kept my van a long time - 8 years, 172K. But, I've never experienced a powertrain problem with my Chrysler either.
 
GM just announced a 100,000K TRANSFERABLE powertrain warranty too.
 
Years ago cars used to rust out so few were ever required to reach those high mileages. They were being discarded due to chasis problems. Now many of us are going 200,000 or more. There are pros and cons to doing this verses trading in every 3 years. I will probably keep my new 08 van for a long time too.
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by tedebear
Nov 18, 2007 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 18, 2007 5:05 am)

How many people keep their minivan long enough to make this "lifetime" non-transferrable warranty worth more than a good 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty?
 
How many people? Well, I keep my vehicles 10 years before trading them in, so for someone like me it's an excellent program. For someone like my wife's aunt, who drives a new car 2-3 years and sells it and rarely ever does anything else to it except fill it up with gas during that time, well, maybe a lifetime warranty isn't the best thing for them.
 
The lifetime warranty is free, as is the powertrain inspection every 5 years. No other manufacturer's warranty comes even close. I'm glad I have it on my new Sebring.
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Re: Money Matters [tedebear] by vinnyny
Nov 19, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: tedebear (Nov 18, 2007 5:52 pm)

The lifetime warranty is free, as is the powertrain inspection every 5 years. No other manufacturer's warranty comes even close. I'm glad I have it on my new Sebring
 
Not to disappoint you, but almost nothing is free, inccluding this warranty. Chrysler pays for it and so do you. You can bet that there's a line in Chrysler's end-of-year accounting reports that either shows how much they paid to outside insurers for the "lifetime warranty" or shows the millions they charged off as warranty expenses for the year. They might even show millions in "warranty reserves" for anticipated costs. If Chrysler pays for it, you pay for it.
 
For the X% who actually will keep their Chrysler product 10 years, the warranty might be a good deal. For the millions of people who won't, it's just an added expense (however well it might be hidden).
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by maryh3
Nov 19, 2007 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 19, 2007 6:43 am)

Hmm sounds like Honda supposedly covering their defective transmissions for "free" upto 109K. Wonder if you think they are really doing it for free too?
 
I believe Chrysler can offer this warrenty because
 
1. They don't have lots of powertrain issues. The other piddly things that send people to the mechanic other than powertrains aren't covered after 36K.
2. A certain number of their products will be totalled in crashes, stolen, repossessed, or simply leased out. LOTS of autos are leased instead of bought anymore. Invalidates the warranty.
3. A large number of their products will be traded in invalidating the warranty.
4. A certain portion of people won't do the simple 5 year check up invalidating the warranty.
 
The 3.3L and 3.8L engines are tried and true as Chrysler has had lots of time to work out the bugs. Its the 4.0L and the new 6 speed transmission that concerns me so I'm glad they offered this warranty.
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Re: Money Matters [maryh3] by vinnyny
Nov 20, 2007 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: maryh3 (Nov 19, 2007 7:12 am)

I don't think Honda had much of a choice in covering their 5-speed automatics up to 100k. They identified the problem and took steps to correct it. If they hadn't, there probably would have been a federally-mandated recall. While Honda didn't charge to extend the warranties, somebody paid for it.
 
I agree with everything you've said, but I'll take it one step further. Warranties aren't free. You pay for it somewhere. I'd be willing to bet that if buyers were presented the choice of a lifetime limited warranty or $500 cash and a 5/60 powertrain warranty, most buyers would take the cash and the regular, fully-transferrable warranty.
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Re: Money Matters [vinnyny] by maryh3
Nov 20, 2007 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Nov 20, 2007 6:51 am)

Bottom line -- all the auto manufacturers are in it to make money, not cars. And if they stop making money they stop making cars too. Honda gives a temp fix to its transmissions because of a class action suit -- not to be "nice" or retain its "reliable reputation". Chrysler gives the warranty to sell cars to people like me who are hesitant to buy any vehicle in a new model year with a new engine and transmission. They get the upfront $$$ I give them for my purchase and they make enough off of it to give me some transmission work 10 years from now.

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