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Honda Odyssey Engine Ping, Detonation, Preingition issues

125 messages,  Last post on Oct 22, 2009 at 6:32 PM

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Re: [naam4ever] by warriorzerosix
Sep 20, 2008 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: naam4ever (Sep 19, 2008 8:06 pm)

Hey All, sure sorry to hear of these engine issues. We have a brand new 08 Odyssey with about 5200 miles and we have not experienced any of the issues cited in the previous posts. We are running Shell regular gasoline with no issues. Is this pinging and detonation only under load or heavy acceleration?
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Re: [warriorzerosix] by hvacrman
Sep 22, 2008 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: warriorzerosix (Sep 20, 2008 3:17 pm)

warriorzerosix-) From my experience it has a mind of its own. It could be under very low load on a flat road, warmer days seem to make it worse. I have duplicated the problem going uphill also. At times the pinging is very hard to hear since so much road noise is evident. If you focus in on the specific noise you will hear it. I test drove a 2008 LX the other day and it pinged like crazy going into 2nd gear. As previously posted they changed my knock sensor twice already and it still pings therefore I dont believe the replacement again is going to help, but I will give them the chance. I think this TSB is only to buy them more time instead of doing nothing. They are going to end up with a few crates full of knock sensors.
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Re: [hvacrman] by fiend_bear
Sep 22, 2008 (4:13 pm)
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Replying to: hvacrman (Sep 22, 2008 5:29 am)

Just spoke with the Service Mgr about the new TSB 08-71. He said this will most likely NOT fix the pinging problem. Agree with hvacrman... this TSB is only to buy them more time instead of doing nothing. Service Mgr advised that the part number is the same. We may try the swap out on the off chance that it works, but this does not sound promising. Once again, if this issue is not fixed, we will be trading in our '08 Ody for an '09 Sienna. I know someone mentioned Sienna could have issues too, but I'm not sticking around for burnt valves and possible pre-mature engine failure. BTW - so far with less than 5K miles, we've had A/C failure (repaired), steering knock (repaired), alignment issue (not repaired), & wind rattle (not repaired) in addition to the ping problem. Yee Haw!
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Re: [fiend_bear] by pcullen
Sep 22, 2008 (4:26 pm)
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Replying to: fiend_bear (Sep 22, 2008 4:13 pm)

Hi, I just got my van back from the dealer as they did TSB 08-071. My service adviser said that it is the same part number as the old one, in my case P/N 30530-P8F-A01 for an '07. But he said that the knock sensor is attached to the engine via a machine during engine assembly, instead of by hand and apparently the machine wasn't calibrated right or something like that and so incorrectly inserted the sensors. I may not be able to report back for a while as I have nearly a full tank of premium - my bandaid fix - in the tank and I'll need to refill with regular and I may not be able to simulate the correct conditions to ping for a while, as it needs to be warm to hot outside and I need to drive up a steep hill. I'll report back as soon as I can.
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Re: Honda Odyssey Engine Ping, Detonation, Preingition issues [pcullen] by menten
Sep 26, 2008 (6:02 am)
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Replying to: pcullen (Sep 17, 2008 10:36 am)

Awesome! You rock!
 
My 2007 EX-L knocks like crazy on a hill. Our neighbors turned around to look a few days ago. Embarrassing. Higher octane gas makes a little difference but the engine still knocks. I have an appt for next week.
 
I also have the steering knock. I have brought it in before and they professed not to have heard it. I will insist this time.
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Re: Honda Odyssey Engine Ping, Detonation, Preingition issues [menten] by pingy
Sep 26, 2008 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: menten (Sep 26, 2008 6:02 am)

I have mine in today getting the knock sensor put in.....
hope it works! I wont be able to tell untill the roads dry up around here, which doesn't look like anytime soon.
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Re: [pcullen] by pingy
Sep 26, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: pcullen (Sep 22, 2008 4:26 pm)

I just got mine back from the dealer.
I ran it through the normal things that set it off, and I only heard it a little tiny bit.
Not nearly as much as it was before. I am not going to complain just yet. I want to run it for at least a few days and see what it does.
I am keeping my fingers crossed!
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Re: [pingy] by hvacrman
Sep 27, 2008 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: pingy (Sep 26, 2008 11:11 am)

Pingy - it may not creep its heads so fast as they cleared PCM and performed most likely another idel learn which basically makes the car run differently. Give it a few days ours is still doing it after the fix. I guess the trick is hack the PCM and force it to run in factory default mode forever to eliminate the ping.
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I have made up my mind by p100
Sep 28, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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After reading these posts, I will not buy a new' 08 Oddysey which I was seriously considering. Or any other Honda using this engine, which includes Ridgeline and Pilot. This is total BS. Engine pinging (detonation) is a serious issue and it will eventually lead to serious engine damage. I cannot believe that Honda has these problems with their new vehicles.. My '99 Mazda 626 V6 with 208k miles never pinged, and I can run any octane of fuel - the knock sensor will just retard the ignition timing with lower octane to prevent pinging.
 
BTW, engine pinging can also result from a failed EGR valves, if it fails closed. This was a common problem on pre-knock sensor vehicles. With a properly functioning knock sensor, the timing would be retarded, so no pinging.
 
The reason why a vehicle would ping with a failed closed EGR valve was that the EGR valve dilutes the fuel-air mixture and the base ignition timing is slightly advanced to compensate. When the EGR is no longer functioning, the timing is too far advanced for the mixture and pinging occurs. Of course, this is only in vehicles not equipped with a knock sensor.
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Engine Ping resolve! Thanks to new knock sensor. by xinst
Sep 28, 2008 (8:35 pm)
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Hi everyone,
 
  I took my car to my dealership. They replaced the the knock sensor after I told them the TSB issued by American Honda, which someone posted on this forum earlier. The service soon manager searched Honda Canada's database found a TSB that he said was just like the American Honda one, but with a different number. Regardless, they changed it, and my engine is totally ping free. Ran it on 87 octane. I drove up slope, pressing gas, stop and go traffic -- all those road conditions which caused pinging before. No more ping! The engine also FEELS more powerful and sounds quiet overall.
 
So, it seems, based on my experience that the new knock sensor they put in now SHOULD NOT be defective.
 
Good luck, and go get those dealerships!

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