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Sedans Jaguar XF 2009 Jaguar XF
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I am a current 5-series owner. I have a 2000 528i and have been thinking of upgrading for several years. I love this car, and really don't like the styling of the newer 5's, so I have resisted. I was told about the new XF and blown away by the styling on my initial investigation. Our local dealer had 3 on the lot, a base, a premium luxury and a beautiful vapour grey SC. I got the initial sales pitch that prob. every new potential jag owner gets--about the elegance, prestige, blah blah. Anyway, finally got to sit in it after the mandatory walkaround and inspection under the hood, in the trunk, etc. The salesperson drove off the lot and tried to amaze with the shift paddles--not too impressed since I've had "tiptronic" for 8 years now. Finally my turn to drive. Seat is supple and comfy. the gear selector is a little weird at first, but doesn't take very long to get used to. She asked to slow way down on the on-ramp to the interstate, then tells me to "floor it". It handled the curve well, but not as tight and solid as my old 5 series. Very quick--when I looked at the speedometer, we were doing 115mph and the car was still accelerating. When I slowed to cruise at about 80, the check engine light came on. I felt bad, but the sales lady told me to drive it the way I did. I asked about a break- in period and if we should have done what we did, and she said no need, just not to drive at high speeds for long periods initially. Of course I was alarmed at the light in a brand new car (68 miles). There also was an annoying rattling in the driver side door, also "unusual" per the salesperson. To sum up, I think the feel is a little light. Plenty of acceleration, but the handling could be better. I am very nervous about the electronics considering it's a Jag and now owned by Tata motors of India. Also alarmed that they use regular non-synthetic oil--meaning a service every 5000 miles (although the manual rec. 10K, the dealer said it is better to change the oil every 5k). Considering the free maintenance at BMW, this would be a cost savings of thousands over 4 years. I really had hoped this would be a better car. The cost is more reasonable than a similar 5 or E, but I doubt reliability will be comparable and cost of ownership will likely be much higher. I think I'll stick with the Germans.
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Replying to: lyndonw (Mar 28, 2008 8:01 am) |
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| It's still much better than you would ever do on an XF lease. I was 99% ready to get the XF and had placed a deposit on one. The lease deals were...well, there are none. They lease at full MSRP with no incentives. The CLS and 550i lease rates you will find are much less. And the CLS generally lists for $10K+ more than the XF. Once I drove the CLS, I was convinced the XF was not worth $200+ more a month in lease paymnets. | |
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Replying to: luvtns (Mar 28, 2008 8:49 am) Case in point. With a MB lease, you're required to do maintenance and the car's computer tracks it and displys when it's overdue. Turn in the lease one day before the 24K mile service is due, and I just save $800...turn it in one day later, they bill me for that. There are lots of strategies to leasing that can make it a better deal. Ultimately, the bottom line is...if you don't mind driving one car for 5+ years, then BUY. Otherwise, lease, but make sure you're gettign a good deal (one great way is to shop other models....in this case, you'll see the XF deals suck). |
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Replying to: njaf (Mar 28, 2008 7:31 pm)
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Replying to: nyeagle (Mar 30, 2008 3:09 pm)
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Replying to: peedy1 (Mar 30, 2008 5:15 pm) |
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Replying to: peedy1 (Mar 30, 2008 5:15 pm) People are very fuel conscious these days and while hp is very important, so is fuel economy for a lot of people. 300hp as a base and 420 for the super are quite good as compared to the competition. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi all have motors under 300 hp as their base engine. BMW is under 250hp, Audi is 255hp for their A6. Mercedes is 270 or so. A MB E class starts  52k for a 6 cylinder. The XF is very fairly priced, and especially the Supercharged is a heck of alot of car for the money. You guys have to realize that Jags never leased out that well. The XF mid 50 - low 60's does make the rest of their product look bad. Why would you cough up 80k for an XJ when can stroke a check for 20k less and get the XF. Lots of people in this market segment pay cash for cars and have money to spend. Not everybody is worried about lease payments.
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Replying to: rjlaero (Apr 08, 2008 5:24 am) They are in fact expecting to bump up the base model HP (gas prices or not). Look how they are selling now. Most 8cyl these days you can actually just break 20mph if you don't drive like a speed demon (and traffic jams aside). I'm averaging 21 mph with the CLS550 V8. Anyhow, the 4.2 engine is way overdue for an upgrade, and that is in fact what they are doing. The XFR will have a new supercharged version of the new engine..maybe 5 liter (not sure), but the nonsupercharged version will go in the base model...maybe not immediately, but a year thereafter. Anyhow, that's another reason I stayed away from the XF. Nothing worse than getting a car and very next year they come out with a model that makes you look like an idiot for paying about the same price (probably even a premium as we are seeing), then they come out with a more powerful version. Like all the 2006 year MB buyers...2007 models did not change at all, but the base V8s shot up by 80HP for the same price. Expect the XF base jump ot be larger. Most people get cars and never research the future models. Of course, this is just me. I'm sure many people will be happy w/ their base 300HP, or turbo420 (which is actually not as quick as I expected when I drove it) for this year. Assuming they get to drive them. Check out the roadfly XF forum and see the problems people are experiencing shortly after taking deliver. Mostly these are electrical problems. But one person has what many feared...the gear shifter refused to rise up!!!! Had to be towed to the dealer, not even on a flatbed no less. Anyhow, I'm still interested in an XF but the wait and see stragegy is the best one now. 1) Wait for much bigger engine next year, 2) wait for first year problems to be fixed in next model 3) get lower payments due to some market saturation, 4) see how the market reacts to an INDIAN company owning Jaguar, and see if they further go ahead and flip it to another buyer, as has been suggested.
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When peope talked about leasing a vehicle, I didn't think about a comply reimbursing you for it. Now I understand why someone would lease a vehicle. My company doesn't do that. When I saw the XF, I wasn't looking for a V-8 engine. I much prever the V-6 for myself. I now have the X-Type and it has a V-6 and I get 27-28 mi/gal plus I have to use the plus gasoline which cost more. My XF will make approx 18 mi/gas. I hope I can use regular in it. Got a message from my dealer. My vehicle is on its way and will arrive at port on April 16th. Getting anxious. |
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