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Re: Prices Paid [mentir] by jed3039
Mar 18, 2008 (3:44 pm)
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Replying to: mentir (Mar 18, 2008 3:32 pm)

I have not driven the car yet...what did you think?
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Re: Prices Paid [jed3039] by lsleelee
Mar 18, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: jed3039 (Mar 18, 2008 3:44 pm)

I drove the normally aspirated model, but I liked it a lot better than the class benchmark 535i. It's incredibly smooth.
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XF Lease Rates....terrible by peedy1
Mar 18, 2008 (6:20 pm)
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I've put a $2,500 deposit on a Supercharged Liquid Silver. It has not come in, but some others have, so I have still driven the SC and gotten the lease rates, and I'm not obligated until the car comes in in about a week. Well, the lease rates stink. With $2,500 down - total drive off costs - the monthly payments are as follows (now to mess things up, in Virginia, Jaguar leasing includes estimated annual personal property taxes in the rate, so you can't really get a feel what what your paying and they refuse to break it out (this is 10.5K miles a year):
 
24 months=$1,335
30 months= $1,260
36 months = $1,210
39 months = $1,188
 
Since Jag leasing in VA wont' let you pay the property taxes yourself (like all other cars do...they claim you save money this way, right!), I then got a quote on the same car, same down, but 12K year, over in Maryland, and they would only quote me one term:
 
36 months = $1,115
 
So I went next door to the Mercedes dealer. Get this, the 2008 CLS550 has this incredible lease deal through the end of March (go to the Benz website for details). Anyhow, with the same $2,500 drive off, 10K miles per year, the monthly payment over 24 months is $1,066. So:
 
Jag XF, about 63K, $2,500 down; $1,335/24 mo.
CLS550, about $73K, $2,500 down, $1,066/mo.
 
Amazing (the dealership estimate about $50 a month is property taxes on the Jag, so the Benz is still a better deal).
 
Is the Jag still worth it?
 
The Jag has many techno gizmos that the CLS doesn't even offer as options (back up cam, blind spot monitors, USB inputs, etc. etc.). The Jag is roomier and has a nicer interior. However, the CLS, while 40 less HP, actually feels much quicker, especially off the line. And it rides smoother than the Jag. I think the CLS is overpriced for what you get, but it's still $10K more than the Jag, so the Jag rates seem ridiculous by comparison. I know the CLS is coming out with the 2009 model in 2 months, but it's doesn't change much at all from the 2008 model.
 
Not sure what I should do. Get the CLS at the great rates, or get the Jag, which I like a more, but get hosed on the rates. Of course, the CLS is still a very nice car. Oh, and since I lease a E350 now, Benz will waive the last 3 months payments, whereas Jag won't.
 
Thoughts anyone?
 
BTW, here are the residuals they gave me on the Jag SC XF:
 
24 months=69%
30 monnths=64%
36 months=59%
39 months=57%
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Re: Lease rates? [argonaut1000] by peedy1
Mar 18, 2008 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: argonaut1000 (Mar 10, 2008 7:35 pm)

Residuals are in post #61
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Re: Lease rates? [peedy1] by random987
Mar 18, 2008 (8:40 pm)
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Replying to: peedy1 (Mar 18, 2008 7:25 pm)

I was told these were the March rates:
 
2009 Jaguar XF Luxury Sedan – 3/13/08
24 Month – Residual 62% of MSRP – .00316 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 52% of MSRP – .00337 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 42% of MSRP – .00376 Base Rate
 
2009 Jaguar XF Premium Luxury Sedan – 3/13/08
24 Month – Residual 59% of MSRP – .00317 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 50% of MSRP – .00338 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 40% of MSRP – .00376 Base Rate
 
2009 Jaguar XF Supercharged Sedan – 3/13/08
24 Month – Residual 66% of MSRP – .00318 Base Rate
36 Month – Residual 56% of MSRP – .00339 Base Rate
48 Month – Residual 44% of MSRP – .00377 Base Rate
 
Residuals posted are for 15K miles/year. Add 2% to Residual for 12k mi/yr and 3% for 10k mi/yr on all terms
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Re: Prices Paid [mentir] by mentir
Mar 18, 2008 (9:26 pm)
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Replying to: mentir (Mar 18, 2008 3:32 pm)

No nitpicks from the driving experience. I came in with a pretty high opinion of the car from just driving the n/a model and left the s/c feeling the same way. Steering felt great. I didn't push the engine too hard since the car had all of 50 miles on it and they were trying to limit people from taking it out for a joyride. I drive an XJR, and for what its worth, the s/c 4.2 is very responsive no matter how you drive it, but you don't really feel the full neck-snapping effect until you really stomp the pedal down past its natural springy point. I'm assuming the XF behaves the same way, only with the improved steering it's going to feel much more nimble like you'd expect a true sport sedan to. Now I just need to let an inventory build up so that I can deal on one.
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Re: Lease rates? [random987] by lsleelee
Mar 19, 2008 (12:29 am)
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Replying to: random987 (Mar 18, 2008 8:40 pm)

note at the bottom of your rate schedule : "add...3% for 10K mi/yr..."
 
Those are the ones he was given.
 
What I'm really curious about is what the buy rate is on that 30 month lease.
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Re: Lease rates? [lsleelee] by rjlaero
Mar 19, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: lsleelee (Mar 19, 2008 12:29 am)

It's the money rate factors and not the residuals making the payments high.
 
X those by 2400 and it equates to over 8% interest.
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Re: XF Lease Rates....terrible [peedy1] by british_rover
Mar 19, 2008 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: peedy1 (Mar 18, 2008 6:20 pm)

Having the property tax rolled into the lease payment is how all leasing that goes through Ford Motor Credit works. Land Rover does the same thing and it does save you a significant amount of property tax over the course of the lease. The jag dealer should be able to break out the cost of the property tax separate from the lease I do that for our Land Rover leases. Just for example to give you an idea what the property tax per month would be on that XF lease in CT at a selling price of 63K the property tax would be 63 dollars a month. Over two years there is no way that the state of CT would only charge you 1,500 dollars a month in property tax. I used to live in VA and I am sure that VA would charge a lot more then 1250 dollars over two years for property tax on a 63K dollar car.
 
Those residuals and money factors look just like the residuals and money factors that the Range Rover sport had two and a half years ago. They had strong residuals but very high money factors. You have to keep in mind that the CLS is basically the same platform as the E-Class. How many E-class derivatives does Merc sell worldwide in a year? I don't know but counting the CLS, CLK, and all the other versions of the E-class versions. Just in the US last year Merc sold 72,000 E, CLS and CLK models and that is a lot of volume to spread incentives around.
 
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/01/03/074302.html
 
Jag doesn't sell that many cars in total for the US so they can't afford to put the massive incentives that Mercedes and BMW do.

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