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Re: xf-sc test drive [mentir] by dean358
Apr 27, 2008 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: mentir (Apr 10, 2008 12:53 pm)

For what it’s worth, my experience owning a first model year Jag was horrendous. When the X-Type first came out I was psyched as I could finally get a Jag with a manual transmission. Went out and got a loaded 3.0 sport version. 40 miles after I picked it up I noticed that my four-wheel drive car had three Continentals and one Pirelli tire installed on it. This should have tipped me off! Over the next 33,000 miles the car went through four sets of transfer case seals, three transfer cases, an electronic engine controller, a complete cooling system and so many other things that I was on a first name basis with the entire service department. The irony is I really liked driving the car (the few times it was working.)
 
I think the XF looks beautiful and I’m sure it will be great to drive when it’s not in the shop. Unfortunately, I think the likelihood of their NOT being a ton of bugs in the first year production run of the XF is roughly equal to the odds of gravity failing on planet earth.
 
So, great looking as it is, I just ordered a 535xi.
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to SC or not to SC...? by 50_eggs
Apr 27, 2008 (9:44 am)
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...that is the question.
 
Has anyone had the opportunity to drive both versions of the engine? My local Dealer has a few of the base engines on the lot but nothing in a SC. I really like the XF, and it is at the top of my short list. My only issue is the 300hp doesn't have the same 'giddy up' as the 550i.
 
Am I correct in assuming there is a noticeable difference in driving experience with a SC? Any feedback is appreciated. I know there is over a second difference in the 0-60 times, but I am not sure how that translates when driving. My Dealer can get me an SC through a dealer swap, but I wanted to confirm with was worth the extra money.
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Re: XF and Jaguar... Experience..and Reality [donfenn] by 50_eggs
Apr 27, 2008 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: donfenn (Apr 23, 2008 2:10 pm)

donfenn,
 
Congratulations on your purchase. Best of luck in the XF.
 
After a few days in the Premium, are you still happy about passing on the SC?
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Comparison with Supercharged by donfenn
Apr 27, 2008 (1:42 pm)
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I am very happy with the Premium. It still has plenty of spunk.
 
However, since I was used to this same engine in my Supercharged XJR I must admit that do notice just a bit less "head snap" when I punch my non-supercharged XF. However, I am quite satisfied without the Supercharger, and my concerns about fuel costs in a car that needs premium fuel, makes me feel like less of a fuel pig with the non supercharged version.
 
I have driven both versions of the XF, and I also experienced the basic V8 in the XJ vs my Supercharged XJR. Please note that this is basically the same engine, with the exception of the added Supercharger... You do not hear or feel the Supercharger unless you are pushing the car or punching the accelerator. At normal everyday city driving at moderate speeds both engines feel about the same. It is when you hit it hard and get the blower working that the Supercharged version feels different. The rear end gearing is a bit more agressive in the Supercharged too, but I did not really notice this much in stop and go driving. In other words, you will notice the diffference in passing, and hard and heavy acceleration situations...Otherwise it pretty much performs basic duty as the same engine. Also note that a 300 hp V8 with 0-60 at just over 6 seconds is pretty quick for the basic XF and far surpasses most of the basic engines of other cars in this class.
 
I think that I should mention that there are other performance advantages to the Supercharged version of the XF, since the Supercharged version also has revised suspension settings, and selectable driving modes, along with 20 inch wheels. However, I did feel that the 20 rubber felt a bit rougher on lousy pavement, and after dealing with numerous tire failures with 19" wheels on my XJR I was not so excited about the prospect of dealing with 20" wheels on L.A.'s crappy streets.
 
I can say that I am very happy with my Luxury Premium, but I also discern the bit extra oomph that the Supercharged version can offer.... If there was availability of the Supercharged version at an attractive lease rate, I might have gone that way, but with a waiting list for delivery, and high lease $$ rates, I decided that I could happily live with the non Supercharged version........ and feel a little bit better that I was not guzzling quite as much $4-plus gasoline too.
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Re: xf-sc test drive [dean358] by donfenn
Apr 27, 2008 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: dean358 (Apr 27, 2008 5:54 am)

Of course there is always a chance when buying or leasing the first year of production. However, comparing your experience with the X type is not really the best measure of how the XF might perform. The X type was really just a modified version of the Ford Mondeo. It was a budget level Jaguar based on an inexpensive European Ford. It was a big failure for Jaguar, and one of the reasons that the brand failed under Ford's ownership. I am not sure you can use this X Type experince as comparable situation to the XF.
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Re: xf-sc test drive [donfenn] by british_rover
Apr 27, 2008 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: donfenn (Apr 27, 2008 1:55 pm)

All of that is true but a lessor known fact is that Jaguar got the quality problems under control even on the X-Type. The Halewood plant that makes the X-Type has won several quality awards including a Gold Plant quality award from JD Powers.
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Jaguar on Hood by nyeagle
Apr 27, 2008 (5:05 pm)
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Stopped by local dealer to take another look at the car. Still love its lines. One of the XF's in the lot had the Jaguar on the hood. At first I liked it but on second thought I think the clean look without is better.
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Re: Comparison with Supercharged [donfenn] by 50_eggs
Apr 27, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: donfenn (Apr 27, 2008 1:42 pm)

I appreciate your thorough feedback. Best of luck with the XF. I have a feeling I will be coming home with one this week. After driving a half dozen cars in the last few days, the XF is the only one I can't get out of my head.
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Re: xf-sc test drive [british_rover] by rjlaero
Apr 28, 2008 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Apr 27, 2008 4:11 pm)

As far as high end cars go, BMW and MB's have had several really bad launch cars.
 
Rememeber back to the 7 series when I drive reared it's ugly head, BMW bought back many a cars via the lemon law. MB's high end cars over the last decade are average at best as well.
 
The XF might not be Lexus like with reliability, but BMW and MB have nothing to really brag about over Jag in terms of reliability.

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