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Sedans Jaguar XF 2009 Jaguar XF
427 messages, Last post on Nov 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM
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Replying to: peedy1 (Mar 30, 2008 5:15 pm) People are very fuel conscious these days and while hp is very important, so is fuel economy for a lot of people. 300hp as a base and 420 for the super are quite good as compared to the competition. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi all have motors under 300 hp as their base engine. BMW is under 250hp, Audi is 255hp for their A6. Mercedes is 270 or so. A MB E class starts  52k for a 6 cylinder. The XF is very fairly priced, and especially the Supercharged is a heck of alot of car for the money. You guys have to realize that Jags never leased out that well. The XF mid 50 - low 60's does make the rest of their product look bad. Why would you cough up 80k for an XJ when can stroke a check for 20k less and get the XF. Lots of people in this market segment pay cash for cars and have money to spend. Not everybody is worried about lease payments.
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Replying to: rjlaero (Apr 08, 2008 5:24 am) They are in fact expecting to bump up the base model HP (gas prices or not). Look how they are selling now. Most 8cyl these days you can actually just break 20mph if you don't drive like a speed demon (and traffic jams aside). I'm averaging 21 mph with the CLS550 V8. Anyhow, the 4.2 engine is way overdue for an upgrade, and that is in fact what they are doing. The XFR will have a new supercharged version of the new engine..maybe 5 liter (not sure), but the nonsupercharged version will go in the base model...maybe not immediately, but a year thereafter. Anyhow, that's another reason I stayed away from the XF. Nothing worse than getting a car and very next year they come out with a model that makes you look like an idiot for paying about the same price (probably even a premium as we are seeing), then they come out with a more powerful version. Like all the 2006 year MB buyers...2007 models did not change at all, but the base V8s shot up by 80HP for the same price. Expect the XF base jump ot be larger. Most people get cars and never research the future models. Of course, this is just me. I'm sure many people will be happy w/ their base 300HP, or turbo420 (which is actually not as quick as I expected when I drove it) for this year. Assuming they get to drive them. Check out the roadfly XF forum and see the problems people are experiencing shortly after taking deliver. Mostly these are electrical problems. But one person has what many feared...the gear shifter refused to rise up!!!! Had to be towed to the dealer, not even on a flatbed no less. Anyhow, I'm still interested in an XF but the wait and see stragegy is the best one now. 1) Wait for much bigger engine next year, 2) wait for first year problems to be fixed in next model 3) get lower payments due to some market saturation, 4) see how the market reacts to an INDIAN company owning Jaguar, and see if they further go ahead and flip it to another buyer, as has been suggested.
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When peope talked about leasing a vehicle, I didn't think about a comply reimbursing you for it. Now I understand why someone would lease a vehicle. My company doesn't do that. When I saw the XF, I wasn't looking for a V-8 engine. I much prever the V-6 for myself. I now have the X-Type and it has a V-6 and I get 27-28 mi/gal plus I have to use the plus gasoline which cost more. My XF will make approx 18 mi/gas. I hope I can use regular in it. Got a message from my dealer. My vehicle is on its way and will arrive at port on April 16th. Getting anxious. |
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Replying to: peedy1 (Apr 09, 2008 10:59 am) That's why I, too, will wait until later in 2009 to consider the XF. Let 'em work out the bugs. But I'll take an XK right now, thank you...
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Replying to: laurasdada (Apr 09, 2008 12:56 pm) The XF doesn't have some sort of revolutionary new and untested electrical system. It's the next generation DENSO system that is used in the XK, and previously in the S-Type. I'm sure a quick google would turn up the other manufacturers who use the same system. I tend to discount the one post I've seen about the gear selector malfunctioning because A) you can apply pressure to the top of the knob, while turning the knob to the desired gear in the event it doesn't rise, B) any issues would be fixed under warrenty.
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Replying to: mentir (Apr 10, 2008 7:05 am)
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Replying to: mentir (Apr 10, 2008 7:05 am) While running errands at lunch tody, saw a shiny, black XKR coupe. Goodness, me oh my, I thought that I might propose marriage to it... Also, I saw my first XF on the road, it crossed the road I was on while waiting upon a red light. It was black, or very dark blue, and somewhat surprisingly to me, didn't really catch my eye. Maybe it was the dark color?
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Replying to: laurasdada (Apr 10, 2008 12:28 pm) I guess I can only speak to my own personal experience as my car (XJR) has been exceedingly reliable to own. And for the record, I too will be letting some time pass before considering buying an XF for the new model bugs to be worked out; not because it's a Jag, but because it's a new model. Oops, I see we're getting sidetracked by talking about the car rather than CLS lease rates.
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Replying to: nyeagle (Apr 10, 2008 8:59 am) There isn't 1 car in MB entire line-up that's recommend by CR. That's pretty embarassing in 2008. MB's prestige and reliabilty have done a complete 180 over the last decade. They aren't what they were in the 80's and 90's. Audi's A3, A4, and A6 are all recommended, and BMW has several cars that are recommended as well. Jag has done welll in JD power over the last couple years in initial quality. The XK was a brand new car last year, and overall it did quite pretty good for reliability. If I had to buy an E class or an new XF, I'd take my chances with the Jag all day long. When it comes to lease payments, $150 /mo sounds like a lot. But why spend 800 on a car you don't really want. I'd pay 950 all day long vs 800 if something really made me smile and I wanted it. I was in an 80k MB CLS recently, and it was one of the more uncomfortable cars I've been in. Chopped windows w/ poor visibility, poor use of space, and way too cheap looking materials for a MB product. Just remember, it's cheap to lease for a reason.
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Replying to: mentir (Apr 10, 2008 12:53 pm) I actually broke my first model year rule with my last car and it didn't bite me at all. A few known first model year issues (electric, of course...) covered under warranty. But out of warranty, no issues. I did sell it after 5.5 years and 67k miles of ownership because, after all, it was a CHRYSLER! 300M, really enjoyed it. Marginal buile quality, but reliable...
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