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Toyota Tacoma, Diesel, Truck
Aug 06, 2006 (9:03 am)
It seems that most of you are looking forward to any truck manufacturer to make a mid-sized (Tacoma size) diesel. Some have mentioned the likes of Toyota's 'Hilux'. There are plenty of vehicles that are on offer, both in Europe and Australasia that have been primarily running diesel engines for decades.
To me, fuel consumption in America has never been particularily important and 'the bigger the better'. Diesels seem to be, only a 'heavy-duty' thing too. You only need to look at the rest of the globe and see how far behind the American market is in terms of light-duty diesel availability. (thank your government for that maybe)
In New Zealand and Australia the diesel Hilux in various forms has been the backbone of both farming and general industry for decades. These vehicles reliabilty would amaze 'Joe Average' in america and have been used in some of the most harsh conditions on the planet.
Unfortunately I had to buy a petrol V6 VVTi 2005 Tacoma (re no diesel). I've even contemplated converting to the 1HD-FTE (I6cyl) diesel engine, 4.2L 201Hp 430Nm torque and 31MPG (US)(from the 100 series Landcruiser) but a little harsh for a new truck and that engine is due for an update. A mate in OZ has a new Hilux which uses the 1KD-FTV 3.0L D-4D (EDI) engine (I4cyl). 163Hp 410Nm torque and 37MPG(US). Apologies for not converting Nm to LB/ft.
Hopefully, one day soon Toyota will produce a TDI Tacoma. If the only issue is associated to emissions i'm sure this could be overcome. Even Bio-diesel seems to be a major player in Western Europe and can be bought at local gas stations too. The demands of the American market should dictate a swing to diesel but it will be the governments that bring about this change.
#90 of 138 Re: K1W1 [kiwi79]
Aug 06, 2006 (12:10 pm)
Hey Kiwi !
I have been salivating over a vehicle, that I read a New Zealand test report on, that is not available in Canada.
The new 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe, 2.2L Common Rail Turbo Diesel !
Man, I'd buy that vehicle in a second !
47 MPIG and excellent torque(approx 250lb-ft) to pull a boat !
Emissions issue ? Germans should solve EPA PROBLEM, Asians will make it affordable. Americans, duh.
#91 of 138 Re: K1W1 [berniedg]
Aug 06, 2006 (3:23 pm)
If you are that keen on the new Santa-Fe, order one from Europe. They are approx 31,000 Euros. (top spec) Check your Hyundai dealer re parts network if they can support. I bought my Tacoma shipped it to NZ, then moved to London UK and now i'm in Spain. I picked a Toyota as their International parts network is awsome. Takes a maximum of two weeks for any part ex the US but not a real issue as a lot of Toyota parts are common and interchangable. For many of you guys State-side is importing vehicles viable? You'll get your mid-sized diesel trucks ex Western Europe.
#92 of 138 Re: K1W1 [kiwi79]
Aug 09, 2006 (8:20 pm)
Good Posts. It is not so easy here in the Land of the Free to import any vehicle. Even Bill Gates with his $billions took over a year getting an exotic sports car into the USA. We are a very closed society when it comes to bringing in vehicles.
#93 of 138 Re: K1W1 [kiwi79]
Aug 10, 2006 (5:08 am)
Patience, my son.
The reason that there are no diesels from offshore is a combination of the 'chicken tax' and until recently 'dirty diesel' fuel. Both are soon to be history. When they are you will see a flood of diesel vehicles from everywhere in the world in every class from small auto's to the new Tundra.... Including likely a diesel HiLux/Tacoma from Thailand; as well as a diesel Ranger from Thailand and a diesel Nissan pickup from Thailand.
#94 of 138 Re: K1W1 [kdhspyder]
Aug 10, 2006 (6:10 am)
I like Thailand. In the mean time the automakers dribble us these hybrids.
#95 of 138 Re: K1W1 [kdhspyder]
Aug 10, 2006 (7:40 am)
Check out greencarcongress.com for latest developments.
Its more than just dirty fuel, I'm afraid.
Its VERY challenging to meet Bin 8, EPA for diesel engines. Car Co's will have to use multiple catalyst stages, urea injection, etc. Much research. Expensive cars only for awhile yet(maybe 2 years), Mercedes, BMW, Audi.
Read up on it a little, interesting how North America rules being dictated by California smog problems.
I like to keep cars for 10 years, and can't wait another 2 years for a decent small diesel truck. Maybe a 2 year lease on a V6 Toyota Highlander for me, till the good stuff arrives on our shores.
The average person here will catch on to Diesel, I'm sure of it !
Car and Driver just tested a Euro spec diesel 3series BMW.
Awesome fuel mileage(40MPG), 370lb-ft torque, 0-60MPH: 6 seconds flat. 2 years, sooner let me know ?
#96 of 138 You don't really want to drive a diesel, do you?
Aug 10, 2006 (2:08 pm)
25 or 28 mpg US
#97 of 138 Re: You don't really want to drive a diesel, do you? [moparbad]
Aug 12, 2006 (5:34 am)
I found it interesting that Toyota had sold 558k of their little PU trucks by the end of May 2006. It is a much larger segment of their market than the hybrids. I think they could sell all the HiLux diesels they can make in the USA. I'd buy one with the smaller diesel engine.
#98 of 138 Re: K1W1 [berniedg]
Aug 19, 2006 (10:15 am)
Bin8 regs are only now becoming the problem. The nasty sludge they sold for fuel (changeover by EOY)is incompatible with the NOx traps and Particle filters needed. The very latest generation of German market diesels (DCX Bluetech, Toyota D-Cat, VW Blue-somethingorother) will meet US reqs if they're combined with Urea injection. One problem is again our friends at the EPA- they don't like the idea of using an additive, but it would be simple enough to require smog state refueling stations to carry Urea in gallon jugs just like washer fluid. It's pretty harmless stuff- much like windex.
The final key to American acceptance of LDDs will be the price of the option. The after treatment components wil be expensive initially, but their price will come down as they become more common in Europe. Despite the huge cost option for the American HDDs in pickups (~$5500), the price option for engines in question (3L 4cyl Diesel v. 4L V6 gas) is not as severe- where both are available, its a wash, on average: in Germany, the diesel is cheaper in the LC120, while in OZ it costs a little more.
Odly enough, Honda, being a new player in the diesel game, was the first of the Asian makes to anounce diesels for the US market. The Odessy minivan and Acura MDX are getting them, so it's no streach to assume the platform sibling Pilot and Ridgeline would get the same goodies. And if Honda leads the way, I'm sure a Tacoma, Frontier, Dakota, Colorado, and even Sport Trac shouldn't be far behind. In the mean time my gas V6 will have to solider on for a few more years.