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Re: Motorcycle... [steve_] by grbeck
Dec 05, 2007 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 30, 2007 9:47 pm)

The Urban Land Institute is talking about how much individual vehicle owners are paying to drive, not how much they are subsidized by government. That is an entirely different question.
 
And it does nothing to contradict what I posted earlier:
 
As for more attractive public transit - if subsidies are the concern, then mass transit isn't the answer. On a per person mile basis, mass transit systems receive subsidies that are 50 times higher than that received by highway users.
  
The share covered by user fees is 77.8 percent for users of highways and local streets, versus 23.9 percent for mass transit users.

 
Those figures are straight from the federal government, and, if anything, are fairer to mass transit than other sources I've seen.
 
It also doesn't answer the question that, if road users aren't covering their "fair share," why are we then diverting money from the Highway Trust Fund to pay for non-road projects?
 
I have no problem with bicycle paths (I enjoy bike riding myself), and I realize that mass transit benefits drivers by giving people other options (and provides transportation for those too poor to own a car, or unable to drive). But the hoary myth that drivers are getting a free ride at the expense of everyone else is just that...a myth.
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Re: Motorcycle... [grbeck] by steve_ HOST
Dec 05, 2007 (12:21 pm)
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Replying to: grbeck (Dec 05, 2007 11:32 am)

So .... about 22% of road funding isn't borne by the road users from those numbers. That sounds like general revenue funding is picking up the slack. And I think it's going to get bigger unless fuel taxes are raised.
 
"About 45 percent of all highway spending comes from the trust fund." (referring to the Highway Trust Fund - Fox News)
 
"The bulk of highway and road funding, about 55%, comes from a combination of state and federal gasoline taxes. The rest generally comes from vehicle registrations, drivers' license fees, bonds and other public borrowing." WSJ via Planetizen
 
Not really on point but this misallocation statement was entertaining:
 
"Over the past 50 years, the motorists in Alaska have received six times as much from the federal highway trust fund as they have paid into it." Heritage Foundation
 
The Highway Trust Fund has a bunch of problems - more fuel efficient cars means less money generated per mile traveled, purchasing power has declined while construction costs have risen, and the Minneapolis bridge collapse focused many people on an aging highway infrastructure (link).
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Re: Motorcycle... [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 05, 2007 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 05, 2007 12:21 pm)

"Over the past 50 years, the motorists in Alaska have received six times as much from the federal highway trust fund as they have paid into it."
 
You would think that Alaska would have better roads. That new Seward Highway is horrible. Alaska attracts a lot of shyster type contractors. Build it and head South, never to be heard from again. Then they probably have sent more legislators to prison in the last few years of any state. Maybe they are just cleaning house. Something the other 49 states and Congress needs to do.

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