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Article Comments - 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3

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What is this discussion about? Subaru Impreza WRX STi, Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA3, Car Comparisons, Hatchback, Sedan

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Comparison Test: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX vs. 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 - Although the Subaru's 5.9-second 0-60 time is two ticks better than the Mazda's 6.1-second clocking, it's all due to its traction advantage at launch. By the end of the quarter-mile, the two cars are dead even at 14.5 seconds and the Mazdaspeed 3 is going 98.7 mph compared to the WRX at 94.4 mph. Considering the difference in power ratings, none of this is surprising. (more)


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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [deskman] by networkguy
Dec 24, 2007 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: deskman (Dec 23, 2007 8:03 am)

mazda= ford junk unless it has a rotary then it is quality
 
So, you're talking about the Mazda 2.3 DISI (inline 4) that is on Wards 10 Best Engines list for 2006-2007. Didn't think that was a rotary...
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [networkguy] by roadburner
Dec 24, 2007 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: networkguy (Dec 24, 2007 9:09 am)

So, you're talking about the Mazda 2.3 DISI (inline 4) that is on Wards 10 Best Engines list for 2006-2007. Didn't think that was a rotary...
 
Excellent point!
FWIW, "deskman" claims to be a car salesman and is usually found in the "Smart Shoppers" forums bragging about how much money he makes off his customers. Methinks that he's just playing the troll in a different sandbox...
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [deskman] by aviboy97
Dec 26, 2007 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: deskman (Dec 23, 2007 8:03 am)

mazda= ford junk unless it has a rotary then it is quality
  
subie= quality

 
I really do not know what to say to that. Subi's are great cars, but, Mazda's are not Fords. Since this thread talks about the Mazdaspeed3 in particular, Ford does not build, nor did it design the Mazdaspeed3. It is built in Japan, with Japanese engineering.
 
Ignorant comments like that help no one.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [5port] by aviboy97
Dec 26, 2007 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: 5port (Dec 24, 2007 5:43 am)

I wonder if the block in the MS3 2.3L can be traced back to the 2.3 ford block in the 80's Thunderbird Turbo coupe/ Mustang SVO?
 
Nothing to do with the 80's Fords.
 
The MZR engine design was done by Mazda and first seen in the 2003 Mazda6. This engine design is used in the Mazda3, Mazda6, Tribute, Mazdaspeed6+3, CX-7. Ford uses the MZR design in their Focus / Fusion / Milan, Ranger, and Escape. Ford abandoned the ZTech design for the more powerful, fuel efficient design of the MZR by Mazda.
 
Mazda has taken this design even further by adding direct injection (fuel delivery system marked at 1800psi), turbo charger (built by Hitachi-Warner.) and inter cooled. The block has forged connection rods, cam shafts, and is built of aluminum. This is hardly the engine Ford used in the turbo charged Mustang of the 80's. In fact, they are not even related.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [aviboy97] by SubyTrojan
Dec 26, 2007 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 26, 2007 9:57 am)

aviboy97, the Mazda Mazda3, European (read: good) Ford Focus, and Volvo S40 all share the same platform.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [SubyTrojan] by aviboy97
Dec 26, 2007 (10:11 am)
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Dec 26, 2007 10:05 am)

Yes, share the same platform, however, how much does a platform actually have to do with the vehicle? Noting really. What matters is what is built on that platform..drivtrain, suspension, steering system, weight balance.....all of these things come into play. A shared platform really means nothing. It is just a starting point of building a vehicle. Ford shares these platforms to save development time and money. Quite brilliant really.
 
A shared platform does not mean they are one in the same.
 
Come to think of it, look how different the Impreza and Legacy are. They are currently built on the same platform, by the same manufacturer! Mazda3 / S40 / Focus really don't have much in common, at all.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [aviboy97] by SubyTrojan
Dec 27, 2007 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 26, 2007 10:11 am)

The new Impreza/Forester platform is not the same as the Legacy/Outback's. It's a shortened version of it. Please note the rear double wishbone suspension is actually derived from the Tribeca's design and not the Legacy/Outback.
 
I'm guessing there is probably more in common with the Mazda3/Focus/S40 than you think.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [SubyTrojan] by aviboy97
Dec 27, 2007 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Dec 27, 2007 9:37 am)

It's a shortened version of it. Please note the rear double wishbone suspension is actually derived from the Tribeca's design and not the Legacy/Outback.
 
A shorten version of a platform is sill basically the same platform. Remember, the components built on a platform can differ, as you stated as the differences between the Impreza and Legacy.
 
The Mazda6 platform is shared with the CX-9, and they use totally different suspension components as well.
 
I'm guessing there is probably more in common with the Mazda3/Focus/S40 than you think.
 
Yes, there are similarities, but, to say they are the same is simply not true. The Focus uses Mazda's 2.0L engine, tuned a bit different. They have similar suspension setups, although tuned differently. The interiors and exteriors are completely different. Build quality is also very different. Look at the exterior, and you can see larger, un uniform gaps in the body panels on the Focus, that just don't exist on the 3. The 3 has a larger wheel base, and a larger interior. Transmissions are also different. Mazda uses their own.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [aviboy97] by SubyTrojan
Dec 27, 2007 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 27, 2007 10:38 am)

shorten != same - I was just clarifying that.
 
A few change of a few inches can make a huge difference in terms of handling characteristics, especially high-speed stability.
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Re: mazda/focus vs subie [SubyTrojan] by aviboy97
Dec 27, 2007 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Dec 27, 2007 11:04 am)

A few change of a few inches can make a huge difference in terms of handling characteristics, especially high-speed stability
 
Yes, but that has to do with what is built on the platform, not the platform it's self. The platform is the foundation of the vehicle. That's it. They don't need to be the same size to be considered the same.

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